View Poll Results: Should a multi-billionaire settle for 2 jets instead of 3, 7 homes instead of 10 etc?

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Thread: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    since you're OK with forcing your morality on others
    This my friend is a statement .. not a question .. hope that helps

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    will you then not complain when thers force their morality on others?
    This .. is a question .. good job ... and I will answer it as soon as you answer mine , i.e. do you support democracy?

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Sorry, but here we have a disagreement and one that I don't think we will bridge.
    Fair enough ... perhaps we could debate "determinism" versus "free will" in another forum sometime .. aye?

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    One of the main points you are missing is a lack of equal opportunity and fair wages. Did that billionaire make sure that all of the workers he hired made a fair wage? If he did, then more power to them. Finally, its the kind of delusional thoughts that anything is possible for most people that cripple peoples ability to be empathetic and humanitarian.
    What? Did the plan I laid out earlier in this discussion show that I am not empathetic or humanitarian?

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Fair enough ... perhaps we could debate "determinism" versus "free will" in another forum sometime .. aye?
    We could, but I think all we would do is differ.

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    What? Did the plan I laid out earlier in this discussion show that I am not empathetic or humanitarian?
    No, not that I remember, I can look it over again though ... its been my experience that people who follow your line of logic aren't empathetic or humanitarian imo. Did you think I was accusing you, specifically, of not being empathetic and a humanitarian?

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    One of the main points you are missing is a lack of equal opportunity and fair wages. Did that billionaire make sure that all of the workers he hired made a fair wage? If he did, then more power to them. Finally, its the kind of delusional thoughts that anything is possible for most people that cripple peoples ability to be empathetic and humanitarian.
    Many of today's billionaires brought other people along as billionaires or at least as multi-millionaires. Check out Microsoft, Apple Computer, Google, Facebook, etc. As for a fair wage, the people took the jobs; therefore, it was a "fair" wage. If people had not taken the jobs, there would be not billionaire.

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    This my friend is a statement .. not a question .. hope that helps
    This .. is a question .. good job ... and I will answer it as soon as you answer mine , i.e. do you support democracy?
    I see that you are -far- more interested in playing pre-pubescent games than honestly discussing an issue. Color me surprised.

    Democracy. It's great.

    Now then:
    Since you're apparently OK with using democracy to force your morality on others, will you then remain logically consistent and not complain when others similarly force their morality onto you?

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    As for a fair wage, the people took the jobs; therefore, it was a "fair" wage.
    Yes... so long as the employer and the employee agree upon it, no one has standing to argue that a given wage isn't fair.
    The emplpyee did, after all, voluntarily accept the wage.

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Many of today's billionaires brought other people along as billionaires or at least as multi-millionaires. Check out Microsoft, Apple Computer, Google, Facebook, etc. As for a fair wage, the people took the jobs; therefore, it was a "fair" wage. If people had not taken the jobs, there would be not billionaire.
    You actually think that someone taking a job delineates a fair wage? Wow ... we are definitely not going to agree on that point ... wow!

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    Re: Billionaires: free to romp or responsible to fellow citizens?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    No, not that I remember, I can look it over again though ... its been my experience that people who follow your line of logic aren't empathetic or humanitarian imo. Did you think I was accusing you, specifically, of not being empathetic and a humanitarian?
    Nope. I just think you do not understand conservatives. George W. Bush said he was a "compassionate" conservative. Many, if not most, conservatives found that offensive. Conservatives who are rational care about people and want them to do well and do not want to see people suffer. We differ from you on the solutions. If we (liberals and conservatives) would learn to express ourselves in complete thoughts on subjects without namecalling and vitriol, we might better understand each other. I would venture to say that most conservatives are empathetic and humanitarian, but do not view the solutions to problems the way liberals do. I'm sure there are some conservatives here who might say they do not give a damn about others, but I also bet that there are liberals here who have similar afflictions.

    When I first joined this site, I thought I saw civil discussions that mirrored the type we are having. The longer I stay here, the less I see. I even confess that I now partake in the harsher discussions.

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