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    Re: Who do you trust to control the Deficit and solve our Debt Crises?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I gotta say though, the Gang of Six plan seems to be our best bet right now. Seems pretty fair and substantial to me. It's not gonna be ready by August 2 though.
    Nor will it ever win enough support among House Republicans, who are in no mood to compromise on anything.
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    Re: Who do you trust to control the Deficit and solve our Debt Crises?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Nor will it ever win enough support among House Republicans, who are in no mood to compromise on anything.
    Yeah, hard to say what those guys are gonna do by August 2. Cut Cap and Balance seems to me to be their pet project at this point, but that isn't gonna pass the Senate.
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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Who do you trust to control the Deficit and solve our Debt Crises?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Yeah, hard to say what those guys are gonna do by August 2. Cut Cap and Balance seems to me to be their pet project at this point, but that isn't gonna pass the Senate.
    I think they'll end up going with McConnell's "back up plan." Or they'll push the nation into default. One of the two.

    It's hard for me to wrap my mind around the fact that the Republican Party - which is ostensibly committed to smaller government and a balanced budget - would pass up the $3 trillion in spending cuts which Obama offered them in favor of a much less comprehensive plan that doesn't shrink the size of government or the size of the deficit nearly as much...yet that seems to be exactly what they're going to do. Unfortunately, Grover Norquist and various other tax ideologues seem to have completely taken over the GOP and left no room for compromise on anything related to taxes.
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    Re: Who do you trust to control the Deficit and solve our Debt Crises?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I think they'll end up going with McConnell's "back up plan." Or they'll push the nation into default. One of the two.
    At this point, McConnell's plan is extremely unpopular with House Repubs. Dunno if they'll stop playing hardball and come to their senses by August 2.

    It's hard for me to wrap my mind around the fact that the Republican Party - which is ostensibly committed to smaller government and a balanced budget - would pass up the $3 trillion in spending cuts which Obama offered them in favor of a much less comprehensive plan that doesn't shrink the size of government or the size of the deficit nearly as much...yet that seems to be exactly what they're going to do. Unfortunately, Grover Norquist and various other tax ideologues seem to have completely taken over the GOP and left no room for compromise on anything related to taxes.
    100% agree. Although Norquist gave tacit support to the gang of six plan because it gets rid of the AMT and in his eyes amounts to a net tax cut, for some reason.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Who do you trust to control the Deficit and solve our Debt Crises?

    Ever wonder why August 2 is the deadline for coming to an agreement on th debt ceiling?

    Well, wonder no more. Never fear, Rush is here with the real reason.
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    Re: Who do you trust to control the Deficit and solve our Debt Crises?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Ever wonder why August 2 is the deadline for coming to an agreement on th debt ceiling?

    Well, wonder no more. Never fear, Rush is here with the real reason.
    I LOL'd at this hahahaha lmao
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: Who do you trust to control the Deficit and solve our Debt Crises?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I LOL'd at this hahahaha lmao
    I saw it on Jon Stewart last night. Googled it, and sure enough, there it was, El Rusbo himself in all his glory.
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    Re: Who do you trust to control the Deficit and solve our Debt Crises?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Who do you trust to actually do it? And, if so, why?
    Neither party can be trusted.Both parties spending out of control is what got us into this mess and neither side wants to make the necessary cuts.
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    Re: Who do you trust to control the Deficit and solve our Debt Crises?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I think they'll end up going with McConnell's "back up plan." Or they'll push the nation into default. One of the two.
    nah. there is enough votes for a smaller increase tied to a same-size cut in spending. And the nation will not go into default.

    we will see how this latest "big deal" between Boehner and Obama comes out. Obviously if it's a serious hike in effective tax rates, it's DOA.

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    Re: Who do you trust to control the Deficit and solve our Debt Crises?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I think they'll end up going with McConnell's "back up plan." Or they'll push the nation into default. One of the two.

    It's hard for me to wrap my mind around the fact that the Republican Party - which is ostensibly committed to smaller government and a balanced budget - would pass up the $3 trillion in spending cuts which Obama offered them
    I imagine it had something to do with the notion that the cuts we knew of were gimmicks, and the rest were unspecified.

    I tell you what, i promise 8 trillion in tax increases.... to take place at some point in the future... under a general program.... of stuff that will happen..... after a commission makes it's report and looks at it and kicks it to a sub-committee which will kick it to another commission before making their non-binding report to the full committee......

    in return for which, you agree to privatize Medicare and Social Security. tomorrow.



    what? you're going to walk away from 8 trillion in increased revenue?


    gosh, kandahar just won't take "yes" for an answer. what an intransgient he is.
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