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  • The world is becoming overpopulated; we should take action, by imposing birth limits

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  • The world is becoming overpopulated; we should impose birth limits and not allow immigrants

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  • The world is becoming overpopulated, but we should not take action; let things work themselves out

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    Re: Overpopulation and Economy

    The world may be becoming overpopulated. But I don't think anything major needs to be done about it (such as controlling birth rates). Things will sort itself out eventually.

    I figure a few things will happen which will make the point moot.

    1: The population will even out naturally to where its a 1:1 birth/death rate...or less of a birth rate but which will pick up again eventually as the need warrants it.

    2: World War which will make the last two pale in comparrison thereby reducing the world population drastically. (hopefully in such a way as to not destroy humanity all together)

    3: We will expand into space in which case overpopulation just will not be able to happen as people will go to other places which has more room. Perhaps even make generational ships to travel to other star systems. (assuming that we haven't cracked some way around FTL travel)

    I consider #2 to be the most likely to happen with #3 running a close second depending entirely upon situation. #1 being possible but not likely.
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    Re: Overpopulation and Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Causes of Poverty

    Almost half the world — over 3 billion people — live on less than $2.50 a day.
    The GDP (Gross Domestic Product) of the 41 Heavily Indebted Poor Countries (567 million people) is less than the wealth of the world’s 7 richest people combined.
    Nearly a billion people entered the 21st century unable to read a book or sign their names.
    Less than one per cent of what the world spent every year on weapons was needed to put every child into school by the year 2000 and yet it didn’t happen.
    1 billion children live in poverty (1 in 2 children in the world). 640 million live without adequate shelter, 400 million have no access to safe water, 270 million have no access to health services. 10.6 million died in 2003 before they reached the age of 5 (or roughly 29,000 children per day).
    This proves that there is poverty, not that there is more poverty now than in the past. Would you like to compare any of these statistics to other periods in human history? In 1820, the US and UK were among the wealthiest nations on earth and yet most of their people still lived in grinding poverty. In 1820, the per capita GDP in the UK (in today's dollars and adjusted for PPP) was $1,706...about where Bangladesh is today. The US was even worse off, with a per capita GDP of $1,257...on par with Haiti today. And it wasn't just in terms of money; in 1800 the life expectancy in the US was a mere 39 years (worse than every country in the world today).

    Life was pretty horrible for nearly everyone for most of human history. That isn't the case today; most of humanity is able to live a tolerable (if not extravagant) lifestyle today, despite the fact that there are so many more of us today.

    List of regions by past GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    ‪Hans Rosling's 200 Countries, 200 Years, 4 Minutes - The Joy of Stats - BBC Four‬‏ - YouTube
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    Most of humanity lives in poverty. Those who disagree are in denial. Have things improved? Sure, for some people. Others still have a pathetic existence, and the rest of the world simply ignores that fact.
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    Re: Overpopulation and Economy

    I like self-sufficiency. Imho, everyone should consider his specific local conditions and live accordingly. If you live in the desert and have 8 children, it's not my problem that they starve and die. If you live in India and barely have a cloth on your back, it's not my problem that you marry and have 5 children. If you cannot keep it in your pants, it's not my problem. If you want to conquer my land because you are out of yours to feed your large family, it's not my problem, you will be killed.

    Moral of the story: stay put and be local.
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    Re: Overpopulation and Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    I like self-sufficiency. Imho, everyone should consider his specific local conditions and live accordingly. If you live in the desert and have 8 children, it's not my problem that they starve and die. If you live in India and barely have a cloth on your back, it's not my problem that you marry and have 5 children. If you cannot keep it in your pants, it's not my problem.
    This is an ignorant view of population economics. Large families (usually) have nothing to do with the inability to "keep it in your pants." I know plenty of Americans who can't keep it in their pants, who nevertheless don't have large families.

    The conditions in the least-developed countries naturally result in high birth rates: Lack of access to modern contraception, or knowledge of how to use it properly. A low opportunity cost in foregone wages for having children. High infant mortality rates, which cause parents to have more kids to hedge against the possibility that some will not survive. The fact that in agrarian societies children are a net financial gain for parents, whereas in developed societies they are a net financial loss. Lack of women's rights (in SOME of those countries). THESE factors cause high population growth...not a lack of sexual self-control. In order to end the high birth rates, countries need to get these root causes under control.
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    Re: Overpopulation and Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    This is an ignorant view of population economics. Large families (usually) have nothing to do with the inability to "keep it in your pants."
    OK, I'm ignorant then.
    India has millions of people who starve but give birth to several other people thus contributing to the overall misery.
    It's simple, 1 ha of land can provide for X number of people to have "decent" life.
    Besides, it's a matter of culture to have (more) kids, not just what you write
    Well, I'm sorry, the culture will have to change, otherwise I won't give a **** for dying Indian and African children.

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    Re: Overpopulation and Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    OK, I'm ignorant then.
    India has millions of people who starve but give birth to several other people thus contributing to the overall misery.
    Microeconomics strongly indicates that it reduces misery for the parents, because children are a financial asset. So it's a prisoner's dilemma: everyone would be better off if birth rates in general were lower, but no one wants to be the sucker who forgoes having a large family (and therefore a larger income) themselves.

    It's simple, 1 ha of land can provide for X number of people to have "decent" life.
    Except people make family-planning decisions individually (or not at all), not collectively as a society. And the individual incentive in poor societies (especially in rural areas) is for each family to be large.

    Besides, it's a matter of culture to have (more) kids, not just what you write
    "Culture" is merely a reflection of those economic trends I wrote about. Having large families was once part of American culture too, but as our economy developed and people became wealthier, that aspect of our culture changed.

    Well, I'm sorry, the culture will have to change, otherwise I won't give a **** for dying Indian and African children.
    You're an ignorant racist.
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    Re: Overpopulation and Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Except people make family-planning decisions individually (or not at all), not collectively as a society. And the individual incentive in poor societies (especially in rural areas) is for each family to be large.
    Not quite agree. For example, if parents have enough land to feed 4 children why would they have 8?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    "Culture" is merely a reflection of those economic trends I wrote about.
    Yeah, every begger in India wants to have children.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Having large families was once part of American culture too, but as our economy developed and people became wealthier, that aspect of our culture changed.
    There was plenty of land at the time to expand to the West. Cannot say that about Africa and parts of Asia now. Japanese are cool, they know their island limits and don't pack themselves to extinction.

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    Re: Overpopulation and Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Not quite agree. For example, if parents have enough land to feed 4 children why would they have 8?
    The very premise of this question is ethnocentric. You are looking at it from the perspective of the US economy, where children are a financial burden rather than an asset. That isn't the case in many poor countries. A better way to phrase that question: If parents need the income of 8 children in order to make ends meet, why would they only have 4?

    There was plenty of land at the time to expand to the West. Cannot say that about Africa and parts of Asia now.
    People don't have large families just because there is land available in some distant part of the country. In the 19th century United States (and many parts of Africa/India today), people had large families because the children could help provide for the parents and because the chances were pretty good that some of them would not survive to adulthood.

    Japanese are cool, they know their island limits and don't pack themselves to extinction.
    Japan is a developed country where the opportunity cost of having children is high. Uganda and India are not.
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    Re: Overpopulation and Economy

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The very premise of this question is ethnocentric. You are looking at it from the perspective of the US economy, where children are a financial burden rather than an asset. That isn't the case in many poor countries. A better way to phrase that question: If parents need the income of 8 children in order to make ends meet, why would they only have 4?
    We will finally get to the limits of the land. How many shepherds, bakers, reapers, carpenters, masons or whatever, could a village sustain? They cannot multiply indefinitely. Surely, the "excess" of people can go to some factory in the near town but that would last only if Americans buy Chinese and Indian crap. What if they stop for whatever reason? The workers and locals are too poor to afford these good anyway.

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