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    Re: The best way to fix our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElCid View Post
    Seriously.................let's crash the Government. Let's see what happens. It can't get any worse than it is, and even IF it does, who cares? Everything is a horrible mess, anyway. Crash the Government, and 'roll with the flow', so to speak.
    Seriously not a good idea. Starting over was difficult enough back in the mid 1700's... it would be near impossible now. I'm in for a political purge though...
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: The best way to fix our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Hardly ... I know you'd wish that to be true, but you're not.




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    Keep wishing.... maybe one day it'll be true.
    Maybe one day sooner than you think ~

    19 Different Polls Show That Americans Support Tax Increases To Cut Deficit

    "In the June 9 ABC News poll 61% of Americans believe higher taxes will be necessary to reduce the deficit, and 57% of those polled said that deficit reduction should include both tax increases and spending cuts.

    A Pew poll found that more people blame the nation’s involvement in wars than tax cuts or spending for the deficit. The poll also found wide support for increasing taxes, as 67% said the more high earners income should be subject to being taxed for Social Security, and 66% support raising taxes on incomes over $250,000, and 62% support closing corporate tax loopholes.

    A Bloomberg poll taken in May found that only 33% of those surveyed thought that it would be possible to lower the deficit without raising taxes, 64% expressed the belief that it isn’t possible to lower the deficit without raising taxes.

    An April CBS News/NY Times poll showed that 72% of people favored raising taxes on the wealthy in order to reduce the deficit. A March NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found that 81% of those surveyed would support a tax on millionaires that would be used for deficit reduction, and 68% supported eliminating the Bush tax cuts on those who make over $250,000."
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    Re: The best way to fix our Economy?

    There isnt an either/or or any other type of simple solution to fix the problem. YES we must MASSIVELY cut spending. Yes, we must have a balanced budget amendment. Yes, we must raise taxes to pay down the debt. Yes, we must bring back industrial jobs. Yes, we must deal with 20 million illegal workers and the impact that has on jobs, housing purchases, every other aspect of the economy. Yes, we must stop labelling crippled and dependent pets and enabling them to BE crippled and dependent pets. Yes, we must bring industrial and corporate leaders to the table to discuss and plan for a long term economic outlook and stop pretending polticians can 'create' or fix the job problem in the country.

    Its not an us vs them, good guys vs bad guys problem or solution. Pretending it is and playing politics keeps us in this hole.

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    Re: The best way to fix our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Maybe one day sooner than you think ~

    19 Different Polls Show That Americans Support Tax Increases To Cut Deficit

    "In the June 9 ABC News poll 61% of Americans believe higher taxes will be necessary to reduce the deficit, and 57% of those polled said that deficit reduction should include both tax increases and spending cuts.

    A Pew poll found that more people blame the nation’s involvement in wars than tax cuts or spending for the deficit. The poll also found wide support for increasing taxes, as 67% said the more high earners income should be subject to being taxed for Social Security, and 66% support raising taxes on incomes over $250,000, and 62% support closing corporate tax loopholes.

    A Bloomberg poll taken in May found that only 33% of those surveyed thought that it would be possible to lower the deficit without raising taxes, 64% expressed the belief that it isn’t possible to lower the deficit without raising taxes.

    An April CBS News/NY Times poll showed that 72% of people favored raising taxes on the wealthy in order to reduce the deficit. A March NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found that 81% of those surveyed would support a tax on millionaires that would be used for deficit reduction, and 68% supported eliminating the Bush tax cuts on those who make over $250,000."
    The difference is, you believe in all the class warfare and that government exists to provide for you. I believe that people should be left alone to do as well as they can in life and that government shoudl stay out of people's way.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: The best way to fix our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The difference is, you believe in all the class warfare and that government exists to provide for you. I believe that people should be left alone to do as well as they can in life and that government shoudl stay out of people's way.
    Nope, I am a firm believer in personal responsibility. We need to cut our governments massive wasteful spending and we can no longer afford to give tax cuts to those that don't need them. I've had the same position for the last 3 decades during the creation of our debt.
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    Re: The best way to fix our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Nope, I am a firm believer in personal responsibility. We need to cut our governments massive wasteful spending and we can no longer afford to give tax cuts to those that don't need them. I've had the same position for the last 3 decades during the creation of our debt.
    No mention of those evil and dastardly rich people and how they should pay more for you? You're position is all about class warfare pal. Every mention, and I would estimate 75% or more of the posts you opine on are about just that - spreading wealth around. It's all you ever post about.


    Did you know that?
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: The best way to fix our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    No mention of those evil and dastardly rich people and how they should pay more for you? You're position is all about class warfare pal. Every mention, and I would estimate 75% or more of the posts you opine on are about just that - spreading wealth around. It's all you ever post about.




    Did you know that?
    Prove it then, if you can! Post a quote of mine where I say the "rich are evil and dastardly", or where I suggest "spreading the wealth around". If you can't, people will see you for what you are, dishonest. Happy hunting!
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    Re: The best way to fix our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Unspinning the FairTax

    Who Really Pays?

    "With the prebate program in effect, those earning less than $15,000 per year would see their share of the federal tax burden drop from -0.7 percent to -6.3 percent. Of course, if the poorest Americans are paying less under the FairTax plan, then someone else pays more. As it turns out, according to the Treasury Department, “someone else” is everybody earning between $15,000 and $200,000 per year. The chart below compares the share of the federal tax burden for different income groups under the current system and under the FairTax. Those in the highest and the lowest brackets will see their share decrease, while everyone else will see their share of taxes increase."


    FactCheck.org: Unspinning the FairTax
    the middle class uses a ton of government services and pays artificially low taxes. I believe that the government should be substantially cut back so no one's taxes are increased and those who pay too much would gain significant reductions. But if taxes HAVE to be increased it should be on the class that uses the most services, supplies most of the votes for big spending politicians, and pays artificially low income taxes.



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    Re: The best way to fix our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    No mention of those evil and dastardly rich people and how they should pay more for you? You're position is all about class warfare pal. Every mention, and I would estimate 75% or more of the posts you opine on are about just that - spreading wealth around. It's all you ever post about.


    Did you know that?

    absolute truth. a majority of the tax the rich posts come from spite and envy based on the attitudes of those who post such tings



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    Re: The best way to fix our Economy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Maybe one day sooner than you think ~

    19 Different Polls Show That Americans Support Tax Increases To Cut Deficit

    "In the June 9 ABC News poll 61% of Americans believe higher taxes will be necessary to reduce the deficit, and 57% of those polled said that deficit reduction should include both tax increases and spending cuts.

    A Pew poll found that more people blame the nation’s involvement in wars than tax cuts or spending for the deficit. The poll also found wide support for increasing taxes, as 67% said the more high earners income should be subject to being taxed for Social Security, and 66% support raising taxes on incomes over $250,000, and 62% support closing corporate tax loopholes.

    A Bloomberg poll taken in May found that only 33% of those surveyed thought that it would be possible to lower the deficit without raising taxes, 64% expressed the belief that it isn’t possible to lower the deficit without raising taxes.

    An April CBS News/NY Times poll showed that 72% of people favored raising taxes on the wealthy in order to reduce the deficit. A March NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll found that 81% of those surveyed would support a tax on millionaires that would be used for deficit reduction, and 68% supported eliminating the Bush tax cuts on those who make over $250,000."
    its is worthless to claim many people want others to pay more taxes so they can have more benefits without paying for them

    when the majority of those making 250K to a few million clamor for tax hikes on the top 1 percent that might have some moral relevance.

    asking those who pay little or no federal income taxes if they think the "wealthy" should pay more is specious and demonstrates how shortsighted people are.



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