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Would you drive the country into another recession...

If it meant that Obama would lose in 2012, would u drive the country into recession?

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...if you were certain that it would mean that Obama would be a one term president?

Was curious since some GOP politicians seem to think keeping Obama from being elected again is their top political priority.
 
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No absolutly not. Peoples lifes and jobs should not be used as a political tool or gain...
 
CriticalThought said:
...if you were certain that it would mean that Obama would be a one term president?

Was curious since some GOP politicians seem to think keeping Obama from being elected again is their top political priority.
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It would depend on the situation.

If it were for political posturing or the removal of rivals, absolutely not.

If I felt that what I was doing would greatly benefit the country and its citizens long term, then yes I would sacrifice the short term to better the future.
 
Baralis said:
It would depend on the situation.

If it were for political posturing or the removal of rivals, absolutely not.

If I felt that what I was doing would greatly benefit the country and its citizens long term, then yes I would sacrifice the short term to better the future.
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I may disagree completely with what you said, but I admire your honesty for saying it.
 
No, definitely not. But I don't have the pathological hatred for Obama that some people seem to have.
 
CriticalThought said:
...if you were certain that it would mean that Obama would be a one term president?

Was curious since some GOP politicians seem to think keeping Obama from being elected again is their top political priority.
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Hell,some of the younger members of the GOP would probably risk plunging the entire planet into a recession and possible economic warfare with China just to get rid of Obama.
Some of them seem to be that pathological.
We'll see what happens on Aug 2nd,won't we?
 
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CriticalThought said:
...if you were certain that it would mean that Obama would be a one term president?

Was curious since some GOP politicians seem to think keeping Obama from being elected again is their top political priority.
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At some point, some of our conservative posters are going to come in here and rip apart your premise. They will be right. Your basic assumption is just that, and assumes the worst of people.
 
Redress said:
At some point, some of our conservative posters are going to come in here and rip apart your premise. They will be right. Your basic assumption is just that, and assumes the worst of people.
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Actually,since he used the words "since some GOP politicians seem to think " that makes it an "opinion",not an "assumption" or a "premise".
Or a "fact".

CriticalThought has a right to his "opinion".
And while the conservatives may not like his "opinion" it is up to them to prove that his "opinion" is wrong.
 
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Removing Obama is removing the Recession.......
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Verthaine said:
Actually,since he used the words "since some GOP politicians seem to think " that makes it an "opinion",not an "assumption" or a "premise".
Or a "fact".

CriticalThought has a right to his "opinion".
And while the conservatives may not like his "opinion" it is up to them to prove that his "opinion" is wrong.
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No, that is still making an assumption as to the motives as those people, with no real evidence.
 
Here is what you have to realize; both sides are playing us. We all come onto this insignificant forum and debate these issues like we know what we are all talking about but in reality, none of us know seriously how much of a game this is to certain democrats and much of the republican party. Why do you think more republicans typically get second terms than democrats? Because they are much better at playing the game. Obama however is incredibly good at the game so we will see what happens I suppose.
 
Redress said:
No, that is still making an assumption as to the motives as those people, with no real evidence.
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You don't need to have evidence to have an opinion.

An assumption is an opinion that is trying to masquerade itself as a fact.

A premise is an opinion looking for facts to give it validity.
 
Badmutha said:
Removing Obama is removing the Recession.......
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The recession didn't start with Obama.

Proving you wrong is SO easy, since I've yet to see you post anything correct. Keep trying, though.
 
molten_dragon said:
This kind of makes me hope that he won't get re-elected, just so I can watch you eat those words in a couple years.
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Don't worry, I'm sure even if he loses the ultraconservatives will have no problem blaming him for their continuing troubles. Don't you know Bill Clinton was responsible for 9/11?
 
Ultraconservative is some kinda code-word, amiright? I bet they're like TPers, only worse. Who are they, and are they as out-there as ultraliberals? Clinton was as much responsible as any other pres or CIA chief or other bigdog who failed to see the writing on the wall and act sufficiently. Shoulda captured/killed that dude a l0ng time ago, crap was well outa control and pretty damn obvious. Read: moderates.
 
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CriticalThought said:
...if you were certain that it would mean that Obama would be a one term president?

Was curious since some GOP politicians seem to think keeping Obama from being elected again is their top political priority.
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the reason that making Obama a one term president is so we can avoid later recessions, depressions, and debt crises. To paraphrase:"It's the policies, stupid."

If, tomorrow, Obama was born-again and came out, endorsed the Ryan Plan, ordered his executive officials to dismantle Obamacare, started talking about individual ownership in Social Security, moved towards free trade, moved to limit abortion, and got rid of his artificial withdrawal date in Afghanistan, I would vote for him over a Republican Presidential Candidate that did not do these things.
 
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Redress said:
At some point, some of our conservative posters are going to come in here and rip apart your premise. They will be right. Your basic assumption is just that, and assumes the worst of people.
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Respectfully, Our gov't was originally structured to guard against the worst in people. This was not just an assumption, but a historical, sociological constant going back 12k years.... or more. When wealth and power are involved, history has shown us that it's best to assume the worst and be vigilant against it. Adding parties into the mix increases this likelihood by orders of magnitude.

Badmutha said:
Removing Obama is removing the Recession.......
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molten_dragon said:
This kind of makes me hope that he won't get re-elected, just so I can watch you eat those words in a couple years.
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He didn't eat his words when McCain lost... won't happen here...

CaptainCourtesy said:
The recession didn't start with Obama.

Proving you wrong is SO easy, since I've yet to see you post anything correct. Keep trying, though.
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After five years of correcting BM, happy to pass the torch. It's an endless and thankless job, but putting down the talking points of the week as parroted by BM is an important job. Less to do with him, and more to do with properly informing others with solid, cited (from non-partisan sources) information.
 
cpwill said:
the reason that making Obama a one term president is so we can avoid later recessions, depressions, and debt crises. To paraphrase:"It's the policies, stupid."

If, tomorrow, Obama was born-again and came out, endorsed the Ryan Plan, ordered his executive officials to dismantle Obamacare, started talking about individual ownership in Social Security, moved towards free trade, moved to limit abortion, and got rid of his artificial withdrawal date in Afghanistan, I would vote for him over a Republican Presidential Candidate that did not do these things.
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It does not matter which president is in office, nor which party in power. The recession cycle is planned, and not by politicians. It is a symptom of the insane monetary and market system we have.

FACT: During every severe downturn, the very wealthy increase their assets and holdings many times faster than they could otherwise.

Within our current system, there are NO SOLUTIONS... only bandaids and splints to keep this circus marching along.
 
CriticalThought said:
Was curious since some GOP politicians seem to think keeping Obama from being elected again is their top political priority.
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That is the top political priority of the GOP, just like getting rid of Bush was a top priority of the Democrats.

Both parties put their own interests ahead of anything else. Always have, and always will.
 
Baralis said:
It would depend on the situation.

If it were for political posturing or the removal of rivals, absolutely not.

If I felt that what I was doing would greatly benefit the country and its citizens long term, then yes I would sacrifice the short term to better the future.
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The bolded is the only reason why I voted Yes, If Obama gets back in, we have not seen anything like an unfettered idealogue such as obama and the damage he will do in the name of the cancer that is progressive liberalism. Imagine if he were no longer worried about his politcal future how much damage beyond what he has already done, he could do.
 
Well this question really isnt possible to take seriously. Like what would the reason be for the recession?
 
atrasicarius said:
Don't worry, I'm sure even if he loses the ultraconservatives will have no problem blaming him for their continuing troubles. Don't you know Bill Clinton was responsible for 9/11?
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In many ways he was, His cuts to the intelligence community and his style of leadership caused many of the compartmenting of information problems that directly led to the inability of a demoralized and severely depleted and under manned security and intelligence community to develope realtime and interchangeable data streams which allowed the 9-11 plot to go unoticed till it was to late.
 
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Bigkat80 said:
In many ways he was, His cuts to the intelligence community and his style of leadership caused many of the compartmenting of information problems that directly led to the inability of a demoralized and severely depleted and under manned security and intelligence community to develope realtime and interchangeable data streams which allowed the 9-11 plot to go unoticed till it was to late.
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Exactly my point. Thank you.
 
IF your point was Bill Clinton was Responsible for his part in 9-11 then yes I made it for you. This isnt even debateable. Its Common Knowledge and historical Fact. Thanks for agreeing with me!
 
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