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    Re: Does posting sources while debating matter?

    The problem with links is that you can find a link to almost anything, however absurd it may be. Here's one showing that the ghost of Elvis made an appearance, for example.
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    Re: Does posting sources while debating matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I think it's a fair question. Based on my years debating, whenever a user posts sources, the other users are usually never persuaded. It may persuade a few viewers, but typically, if you watch closely, you'll discern a general pattern when a source is posted. It's either ignored entirely, questioned, or countered with another source until both users get frustrated.

    I'm currently amassing a written notebook of multiple credible sources, organized by issues(general arguments and counters are listed as well).

    Basically, is it worth it if it virtually never persuades the opponent?
    I know it matters when I post a source and the person I was responding to doesn't come back to the thread.

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    Re: Does posting sources while debating matter?

    Well, I'm just not interested in where crackpots get their info, and the vast majority of 'requests for links' come from trolls who rarely post more than one or two lines at a time and of course never post any real responses or rebuttals, or just move on to yet another series of one or two line response and another demand for 'links' with no comments on the last ones posted.

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    Re: Does posting sources while debating matter?

    In an honest debate between open minded people, yes, sources absolutely matter. The goal is to learn, and refine or perhaps change one's position, if that's where the information leads. I like to learn new things from debates. A lot of times, especially when we get to debates of theism v atheism or capitalism v socialism, it tends to be a lot of shouting. Debating cultural issues is always very informative, though.
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    Re: Does posting sources while debating matter?

    It depends on what and who you are debating.

    Oftentimes, source material just adds another layer of debate. Instead of Source A providing clear evidence of your argument, you find yourself arguing the meaning of Source A in addition to the original argument.

    Nonetheless, I believe that sources do influence the beliefs of others, whether they want to admit it or not. That is to say, they may have a firm belief in their position, and argue it unyieldingly, but there's a good chance you can sow some seeds of doubt with a well-presented case, and source material certainly helps. More than once I've debated a topic to no conclusion, only to find (months later) the other person arguing my position.

    One of my pet peeves are those "link please" posters who don't believe a thing anyone says unless they can produce an article of someone else saying the same thing. It's scary that they'd dismiss something out of hand simply because it's been authored here, but readily accept the same thing because it's been published. It seems to indicate a lack of critical thinking skills.

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    Re: Does posting sources while debating matter?

    According to google searching "posting sources matters" returns 32 million hits so the answer is obviously yes, backed up by all those sources.
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    Re: Does posting sources while debating matter?

    I don't know if this deserves another thread or not, but I thought it worked with this discussion:

    Skilled arguers, however, are not after the truth but after arguments supporting their views. This explains the notorious confirmation bias. This bias is apparent not only when people are actually arguing, but also when they are reasoning proactively from the perspective of having to defend their opinions. Reasoning so motivated can distort evaluations and attitudes and allow erroneous beliefs to persist. Proactively used reasoning also favors decisions that are easy to justify but not necessarily better. In all these instances traditionally described as failures or flaws, reasoning does exactly what can be expected of an argumentative device: Look for arguments that support a given conclusion, and, ceteris paribus, favor conclusions for which arguments can be found.

    Is Reasoning Built for Winning Arguments, Rather Than Finding Truth? | The Intersection | Discover Magazine

    Doesn't limiting our research to that which only supports our position support this type of thinking?

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    Re: Does posting sources while debating matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I know it matters when I post a source and the person I was responding to doesn't come back to the thread.
    You'll eventually learn that a person not responding means squat.
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    Re: Does posting sources while debating matter?

    When I was a member of the debate team for two years in college, we were taught that following up your positions with verifiable sources was the rule and law in debate. This is especially important in any allegation of fact or usage of the historical record.

    It amazes me that we have a site here called DEBATE POLITICS and many feel that their own pompous pontifications are all that is needed in debate. For those, we should have a section called WHAT I BELIEVE BECAUSE I BELIEVE IT since that is the depth and breadth of most of their posts.
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    Re: Does posting sources while debating matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    show me a man who doesn't feel the need to post evidence and sources, and I'll show you a man who doesn't know what he's talking about.
    Do you have a source to prove this?

    Case in point, this can be very frustrating. What you seem to think as common sense/conventional wisdom, well, others demand proof.

    Usually, I'd know my info was from a source, whether biased or not. But then knowing it was from a source I wouldn't cite it because I figured others would know what I mean. Then certain people, who were pedantic, which isn't bad but annoying, have now compelled me to collect cites as well. I find it difficult to argue without sources now because now sources are demanded routinely.

    Then, I'm told a cite I used is biased, yet theirs is biased as well even though they cannot tell.

    Furthermore, how do you cite whether something is right or wrong?

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