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    Re: Does posting sources while debating matter?

    There are very good reasons why web sites aren't acceptable as sources for academic papers, and the same applies now. In any case, the web is so extensive people can easily Google up a topic before they post whatever it is they want to post these days, so it's just a lame attempt at gamesmanship to demand 'links'. It mattered in the early days of BBS's and message boards, but the sources were actual books and magazines, and people actually read them.

    I don't ask for them, and if somebody posts something I disagree with, I'll post a source backing up why I disagree, if I think it would matter, or would be informative to others who aren't participating.

    I like Wikipedia, especially well footnoted articles, but I don't consider it a 'source'; quoting some sentence or paragraph from a site pretty much requires a link to satisfy copyright laws, but that doesn't mean the poster has to defend the entire article or defend the entire site, so claiming such sites as Worldnet Daily or MoveOn 'aren't valid sources' is of course nonsense; it depends on the author and the info, not who owns the site or whether or not you personally like it or not, so you're back full circle, exactly where circular reasoning leads you, and in fact where all 'logic' leads, since it is all ultimately circular reasoning, as a function of definitions.

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    Re: Does posting sources while debating matter?

    Debates rarely change the opposing side anyway. Not posting sources would make debating itself pointless.

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    Re: Does posting sources while debating matter?

    Sources should mainly used to support facts. I don't always cite sources for everything, but if someone ask me, then I will provide the sources.

    However, I hate people who always ask for sources. If I provide some data, don't go "give me your sources" every single time. Don't be lazy and check if my numbers are correct or not. What's even worse are the people who ask for sources for nonfacts.

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    Re: Does posting sources while debating matter?

    I don't think one should necessarily be required attribute every statement, outright, but when citing arcane or technical information, or making assertions of a controversial nature, one is obligated to be able to substantiate them, if asked.
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    Re: Does posting sources while debating matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Sources are very important. If you cannot source your claims, then they are absolutely unaccepted. If you source your claims, then others have to counter your sources or accept them. While countering sources is the most common thing to happen(usually poorly done), it does happen surprisingly often that when providing sources, the other person is forced to concede the point.

    A person unwilling to provide sources, they are doing a poor job of debating.
    I agree - the issue though is more about disputing facts, not disputing opinion - though I rather think many opinions are based not on fact but strictly on ideology. If that's the case, then you can source yourself to death with as many valid facts and it won't make a difference. If you're having a discussion or argument based on opinion - I usually ask what is that opinion based on. Sometimes that opinion is based on biased ideology - therefore again, facts make no difference.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Does posting sources while debating matter?

    I kind of had an issue with this just today. The thread as about "prayer". Something was said about prayer giving the person who is praying the "warm and fuzzies", much in the same way a hug does. I made a statement that it does, agreed with that. someone asked me to post a source that stated where it shows it does. Now the actual stuff I had read about it was about three years ago and I have no clue even where it was from or what... but I tried to look for it, couldnt find what i was looking for. Now does that make my statement any less true for me???? no. Does it make the other posters statement inaccurate... no as well. Especially when you can go online and take anything and find multiple sources that say totally different things. I think the only things that a source really lends true credibility to are things like.... If i make a statement that so and so said this. I can post a link to where he or she said it and in what context. that is helpful.

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    Re: Does posting sources while debating matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I think it's a fair question. Based on my years debating, whenever a user posts sources, the other users are usually never persuaded. It may persuade a few viewers, but typically, if you watch closely, you'll discern a general pattern when a source is posted. It's either ignored entirely, questioned, or countered with another source until both users get frustrated.

    I'm currently amassing a written notebook of multiple credible sources, organized by issues(general arguments and counters are listed as well).

    Basically, is it worth it if it virtually never persuades the opponent?
    Depends entirely on the subject matter and whether the person is stating an opinion or not. It also depends on lots of other things that just isn't worth repeating the majority of here. Though one example would be commonality. IE whether what they state is considered, or could be considered, common knowledge.
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    Re: Does posting sources while debating matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Depends entirely on the subject matter and whether the person is stating an opinion or not. It also depends on lots of other things that just isn't worth repeating the majority of here. Though one example would be commonality. IE whether what they state is considered, or could be considered, common knowledge.
    You raise a good point. Common knowledge.

    What exactly passes as common knowledge, politically?

    I've had instances when I state something that's pretty much common knowledge---such as most liberals mocked Bush---and others demand I cite it.

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    Re: Does posting sources while debating matter?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I think it's a fair question. Based on my years debating, whenever a user posts sources, the other users are usually never persuaded. It may persuade a few viewers, but typically, if you watch closely, you'll discern a general pattern when a source is posted. It's either ignored entirely, questioned, or countered with another source until both users get frustrated.

    I'm currently amassing a written notebook of multiple credible sources, organized by issues(general arguments and counters are listed as well).

    Basically, is it worth it if it virtually never persuades the opponent?
    It depends on the quality of the source. But if its a good source and the other guy balks, its their problem, not yours.

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    Re: Does posting sources while debating matter?

    posting sources, unless its about clearly obvious things like the color of the sky, the date of America's birth, the first President of the USA, the chemical composition of water......deserves a source.

    folks who think they are above posting sources, tend to be arrogant and uninformed.

    not posting sources, reflects very poorly upon their arguments and their views.

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