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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    translation: okay, you are right... I do not debate.
    Funny who showed up as soon as I noted people who take themselves too seriously but stop derailing the thread dude

    you and a few others claim that since some poor pay all sorts of state taxes that somehow excuses their having to pay FEDERAL INCOME taxes or federal DEATH taxes

    so if its good for the goose why not the gander or are you rejecting your own paradigm?



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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    This board is entertainment for me. I do real debating where I get paid well to do it-in front of juries in federal courts or judges in federal appellate courts. This is amusement for me. I do what I want here and I love watching the implosion of those who take this place or themselves too seriously
    So you take starting grass movements, learning and influencing others as a joke? Have you no pride? Do you not care about efforts to join together or find solutions in order to hopefully affect positive change? Seriously? What do you care about?

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that last comment is really stupid. You cannot prove it and your parroting other posters is a clear sign we are dealing with a kid.
    Attacking your opponent's character and name calling is not exactly a sign of maturity.

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    The war on poverty has cost more than any war that has taken place since the W on P began and has created a dependent class and has not changed the percentages of people in poverty
    This is an excellent article on the war on poverty: http://www.law.georgetown.edu/povert...ntPrograms.pdf

    Ultimately, this is an issue of income, as the article points out. If the poor can be expected to lift themselves out of poverty, there must be jobs that pay a decent wage. These days, even qualified and educated people struggle to find work. My dad was laid off recently, and he has 30 years of experience as well as an education in his field. It's not just laziness and stupidity. People are struggling.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    NOpe, if the middle class and lower were not seduced by the government tit, I suspect far less would wallow in squalor and a lack of ambition. If you subsidize something you increase it and we subsidize dependence
    To a certain extent, I agree. Some people will always take advantage of the system. But most people want a life beyond government assistance.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are lying again-they pay lots of taxes. they pay payroll taxes. they pay taxes on profits earned in other tax jurisdictions. They pay property taxes. and who cares. the people whom own them pay taxes on the income they derive from owning the corporation
    There are many examples of corporations receiving tax breaks and subsidies that significantly reduce their overall tax rate.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you aren't subsidizing them-we subsidize you. Your posting frequency here suggests you don't have a job given how much time you spend here during normal working hours.
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    LOL, I think its more likely hs kid on summer break
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    So you take starting grass movements, learning and influencing others as a joke? Have you no pride? Do you not care about efforts to join together or find solutions in order to hopefully affect positive change? Seriously? What do you care about?
    here-having fun and amusement. try it sometime its good for you



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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Funny who showed up as soon as I noted people who take themselves too seriously but stop derailing the thread dude

    you and a few others claim that since some poor pay all sorts of state taxes that somehow excuses their having to pay FEDERAL INCOME taxes or federal DEATH taxes

    so if its good for the goose why not the gander or are you rejecting your own paradigm?
    You have trouble following your own line of logic. I have always insisted that when you look at the weight of taxation upon American citizens, ALL taxes paid to ALL levels of government should be considered. Corporations are not yet American citizens no matter how much CATO and ALEC and the right wing wished they were.

    Now do you see the difference between my position and yours?

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    here-having fun and amusement. try it sometime its good for you
    In that case, I just want to thank you for giving us the opportunity to post the facts and demonstrate the major suckage in rightwing ideology.
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

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    The last one-no clear answer
    It has already begun. What do you not understand about ~ "only twice before in American history has so much been held by so few, and the gap between them and the great majority been a chasm--in the late 1920's and in the era of the robber barons in the l880's."

    Both of those occasions was followed by a backlash of progressiveness from the American people.
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    LOL, I think its more likely hs kid on summer break
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    got any examples of politicans who actually seek to keep welfare recipients on welfare, and not educated and employed?

    sounds like a baseless claim to me
    Clinton vetoed two welfare reform bills intended to get people off welfare before political pressure in an election year forced him to sign a third submittal from a GOP House. The net result of the GOP bill was that more people were off welfare. Ergo, Clinton was trying to keep people on welfare.

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