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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No harm, no foul, no problem!

    But I don't see how the cutoffs encourage them to stay on welfare, when welfare is limited to 5 years. It sounds more like low wages are keeping them on welfare. Again, that's not dependency.

    Dependency is a rightwing myth that portrays the poor as not being willing to work and who prefer to remain on welfare. While you do point to problems with the way the safety net operates, I do not believe that "dependency' is the problem here. It's a more structural problem involving how govt agencies calculate the aid they will give combined with an economy that does not provide a living wage.

    The problem isn't that the poor don't want to work; the problem is that system doesn't work. It is unfair to blame the poor for the problems created by the system, and the word "dependency" does blame the poor, and leaves the system blameless. Thats the reason why the rightwingers love to use the word. They like to blame the poor.
    nah i tend to blame rich liberal elites who create the system that keep people poor and dependent



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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are lying again-they pay lots of taxes. they pay payroll taxes. they pay taxes on profits earned in other tax jurisdictions. They pay property taxes. and who cares. the people whom own them pay taxes on the income they derive from owning the corporation
    WAIT a ding dong minute. Are you not one of the crowd who constantly whines and complains about FEDERAL INCOME TAXES as being so damn important? And now you have the unmitigated gall to offer payroll taxes up on the altar? And property taxes?

    This is beyond ironic. The hypocrisy is thick as a brick.
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    WAIT a ding dong minute. Are you not one of the crowd who constantly whines and complains about FEDERAL INCOME TAXES as being so damn important? And now you have the unmitigated gall to offer payroll taxes up on the altar? And property taxes?

    This is beyond ironic. The hypocrisy is thick as a brick.
    speaking of thick I was just turning your and Catawba's claims back around

    and corporations shouldn't pay taxes. people should on consumption



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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No harm, no foul, no problem!

    But I don't see how the cutoffs encourage them to stay on welfare, when welfare is limited to 5 years. It sounds more like low wages are keeping them on welfare. Again, that's not dependency.

    Dependency is a rightwing myth that portrays the poor as not being willing to work and who prefer to remain on welfare. While you do point to problems with the way the safety net operates, I do not believe that "dependency' is the problem here. It's a more structural problem involving how govt agencies calculate the aid they will give combined with an economy that does not provide a living wage.

    The problem isn't that the poor don't want to work; the problem is that system doesn't work. It is unfair to blame the poor for the problems created by the system, and the word "dependency" does blame the poor, and leaves the system blameless. Thats the reason why the rightwingers love to use the word. They like to blame the poor.
    I totally agree .. sorry if I used the word dependency, I didn't realize it held that kind of political significance and looking back .. if I did use it, it makes sense how it mythical. I totally agree that the problem is with the system and not the people. I am with you all the way on this

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    speaking of thick I was just turning your and Catawba's claims back around

    and corporations shouldn't pay taxes. people should on consumption
    Nice after the fact try in covering your butt however you still fail. Now you are back to a position where many pay no income taxes. So now for the serious explanation?
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    My job is to spread light and not to master

    I get 375 an hour, would you care to retain my services and I will give you a written legal opinion?
    Huh? What is your problem man. I thought debating was about considering others opinions and either agreeing or debating them? Perhaps I am mistaken?

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Nice after the fact try in covering your butt however you still fail. Now you are back to a position where many pay no income taxes. So now for the serious explanation?
    yawn everyone else understood the point



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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Huh? What is your problem man. I thought debating was about considering others opinions and either agreeing or debating them? Perhaps I am mistaken?
    This board is entertainment for me. I do real debating where I get paid well to do it-in front of juries in federal courts or judges in federal appellate courts. This is amusement for me. I do what I want here and I love watching the implosion of those who take this place or themselves too seriously



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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yawn everyone else understood the point
    Just who is EVERYBODY?
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    This board is entertainment for me. I do real debating where I get paid well to do it-in front of juries in federal courts or judges in federal appellate courts. This is amusement for me. I do what I want here and I love watching the implosion of those who take this place or themselves too seriously
    translation: okay, you are right... I do not debate.
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