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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Actually TD, I have explained this before, having safety nets for the poor would work if they weren't set up to encourage staying in the system. Please see my previous post in this link: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1059654691
    The overwhelming majority of welfare recipients are only on welfare for less than 5 years. The claim that it leads to a lifetime of dependency is a rightwing myth. The dependency on govt subsidies is an affliction of the rich, who require massive bailouts in order to make a dime.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you aren't subsidizing them-we subsidize you. Your posting frequency here suggests you don't have a job given how much time you spend here during normal working hours.
    Umm .. have you ever heard of shift work?

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Yeah, did you read it? What do you think of that? Wouldn't getting rid of safety net cut-offs and progressively weening, eliminate the current trap welfare system?
    The only welfare trap is the recurring bailouts the rich require. Welfare is limited to a total of 5 years.
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are lying again-they pay lots of taxes. they pay payroll taxes. they pay taxes on profits earned in other tax jurisdictions. They pay property taxes. and who cares. the people whom own them pay taxes on the income they derive from owning the corporation
    More than half of all Fortune 500 corps pay no FIT. This has created a culture of dependency in the rich. We have to stop the parasites and return them to productivity
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you aren't subsidizing them-we subsidize you. Your posting frequency here suggests you don't have a job given how much time you spend here during normal working hours.
    The middle class is supporting the sloth of the rich and our tax system encourages dependency in the rich.
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The overwhelming majority of welfare recipients are only on welfare for less than 5 years. The claim that it leads to a lifetime of dependency is a rightwing myth. The dependency on govt subsidies is an affliction of the rich, who require massive bailouts in order to make a dime.
    Yes, I agree, many people are trying to get off welfare; however (see my link above) certain "welfare cut-off" policies and a lack of education regarding the welfare system can work to encourage people to stay on welfare. I am not suggesting getting rid of welfare, rather, I am suggesting that we place more rewards and less punishments for those trying to get off the system.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Umm .. have you ever heard of shift work?
    The rich know nothing about work. They expect the middle class to do their work for them and they believe they are entitled to regular bailouts
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Yes, I agree, many people are trying to get off welfare; however (see my link above) certain "welfare cut-off" policies and a lack of education regarding the welfare system can work to encourage people to stay on welfare. I am not suggesting getting rid of welfare, rather, I am suggesting that we place more rewards and less punishments for those trying to get off the system.
    There is a 5 year limit on welfare. Kicking people off of welfare does not encourage them to stay on welfare.
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The only welfare trap is the recurring bailouts the rich require. Welfare is limited to a total of 5 years.
    While I agree that bailouts for the rich are traps, if you follow my link, you will see that there are some traps for welfare on the poor as well. As far as I know the only welfare that is limited to five years is cash payouts (Welfare clock running out / As 5-year limit on benefits approaches, poor parents need financial help despite finding new jobs - SFGate), and not food stamps, healthcare and subsidized housing. I could be wrong though, send me a link if I am.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There is a 5 year limit on welfare. Kicking people off of welfare does not encourage them to stay on welfare.
    I totally agree that kicking people off welfare does not encourage them to stay on welfare, lol! Do you think I was suggesting otherwise? I am saying that putting rewards into place for the poor (instead of punishments) for earning more money would encourage them to move up the ladder.

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