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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    Again with this crap?

    It's honestly hard for me to imagine that someone can survive living off of such stereotypical views. But I guess that's because I don't stereotype people.

    I envy you nor anyone wealthy their wealth.

    If these so-called "job creators" are creating jobs and doing good for America, why does the economy suck so much? If these current tax rates are so good for us, why does everything stink so much?

    Cutting taxes didn't create jobs in 2001 or 2003, just as raising taxes in 1993 didn't kill jobs as we were told.

    The only thing that can create jobs is demand for products and services. The rich clearly aren't spending enough of their money right now - and there's a reason for that. There is only so much a person CAN spend.

    A hedge fund manager making $1 Billion a year has a much smaller stimulative impact on our economy than the 200 families making $50,000 a year do.

    This whole argument is about making this nation work its best for the most people - instead of simply looking out for approximately 1% of the country.
    Your post is either the product of ignorance or willful blindness. This board teems with people who are whining about the rich and whether you want to call it envy, class hatred or just butt hurt boo hoo whining because they are mad others are rich and they are not, its the same thing

    here are some recent examples (in addition to Haymarket's malignant hatred of the rich contained in the signature quote)


    The Ebenezer Scrooge depiction

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    True. And everything most of this board is throwing against raising taxes is just an attempt to muddy the issues. The truth of what has happened to the wealth of this country. The wealthiest people on this board only have holdings. *they say* They don't have true wealth, i.e., intelligence, wisdom, insight, compassion, comprehension; the list goes on. But what they do have, they intend to keep. If all I had put me on the same playing field as Ebenezer Scrooge, I'd be hanging on for dear life as well.
    Here we have the paranoid populist rant

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Do you think the "playing field" is level? that the games aren't rigged? Wall Street is the new face of organized crime, with a complicit congress participating in the cover-up. The president COULD appoint special prosecutors to go after those guilty of betraying the public trust, but that would create a panic in the market, not something we need right now, but should be done anyway.
    Blame the rich for millions losing jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Rightwingers believe that the economy is doing fine, even if millions have lost their jobs. Just as long as the rich keeping making money.
    whining about the rich making money

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    What you call "wealth redistribution", we call "undoing the systematic abuse and oppression." Wealth is redistributed in a pure capitalist society, too. It's just only redistributed to the rich from the poor.
    the if You are rich you exploited someone nonsense

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Or those who benefited from the hard work of others paying back the spoils they reaped. It's funny because you'd have to be lying to yourself to not see how anything we gain requires taking it from another. I can go back and see where I have taken from others in order to get ahead, and I'm not wealthy at all. And I have never heard of anyone who did not follow this maxim. Ever.
    here is a good one-an implied threat of violent looting of the wealthy


    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And later we get the obligatory right wing posts from gun worshippers bragging what good shots they are, how many weapons they own, descriptions of those weapons as if they were looking at a Playboy centerfold, and reproductions of their marksmanship ratings and abilities.

    And that is suppose to keep the people at bay.
    some populist ranting at the financial sector


    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    success? like Bernie Madoff? and all the other criminals/leeches on Wall Street?



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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ..This board teems with people who are whining about the rich and whether you want to call it envy, class hatred or just butt hurt boo hoo whining because they are mad others are rich and they are not, its the same thing..
    what about the supposed rich-folks who whine about paying an additional.....OMG....3% in income taxes?

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post

    here are some recent examples


    The Ebenezer Scrooge depiction



    Here we have the paranoid populist rant



    Blame the rich for millions losing jobs



    whining about the rich making money



    the if You are rich you exploited someone nonsense



    here is a good one-an implied threat of violent looting of the wealthy




    some populist ranting at the financial sector
    You didn't include me in your listing of patriots above, I'm hurt.
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    what about the supposed rich-folks who whine about paying an additional.....OMG....3% in income taxes?
    If the rich have to pay a little more, the earth will stop turning on its axis, half the world population will die off, and the GOP will blame the democrats for all of it.
    Funny how we have the LOWEST tax rates ever and the unemployment rate is still too high...
    But cutting taxes creates jobs, right? Seems like some oxymorons are at work here...
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    during the hubub over the possible Federal govt. shutdown, ABC News pointed out that the Tea-Party plan to reduce the deficit did NOT include any cuts in farm-subsidies, much of which goes to wealthy agro-businesses, and even wealthy GOP farmers in Congress.

    lovely how that works, right?

    these Conservatives want to cut Medicaid and Medicare, but don't you DARE touch their farm subsidies!!!!!

    Well, that's pretty understandable

    Anti-socialist Bachmann got $250K in federal farm subsidies - On Congress - POLITICO.com
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Your post is either the product of ignorance or willful blindness. This board teems with people who are whining about the rich and whether you want to call it envy, class hatred or just butt hurt boo hoo whining because they are mad others are rich and they are not, its the same thing
    The rightwings ideas are the product of ignorance or willful blindness. This board teems with people who are whining about the middle clase and whether you want to call it envy, class hatred or just butt hurt boo hoo whining because they are mad others are productive and they are not, its the same thing
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that last comment is really stupid. you cannot prove it and your constant rants about the rich are pathetic

    the "war on poverty" has cost billions more than any real war since that nonsense started and all it has done is created millions of dependent addicts
    How do you propose society deal with poverty?
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    The ONE and ONLY reason the wealthy are wealthy...is because of the blood, sweat, and tears of the poor & middle class.

    And yet, the wealthy have the nerve to attack, demean, and seek to extinguish those who are responsible for their great wealth.

    Talk about chutzpah.

    the wealthy REALLY need to take heed, for without the middle-class, they are doomed.
    Last edited by Thunder; 07-19-11 at 07:31 PM.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    OK. Let me ask you this Utah. If politicians had less power over us, i.e. were less able to "run our lives", would that not be a reasonable solution to your proposed problem?
    Capitalist run politicians, but politicans can't effectively run our lives...problem solved? For that matter, why would they invest so much time and energy into controlling politicians if it didn't get them results anyway.

    Consider the federal budget, can we cut that by 50% and still keep strong corporate regulation and enforcement, considering the largest budget items are not related to regulation and enforcement?
    Politicians are running our lives at the direction of the super rich.....don't you get that?
    Sure, they gave us the IRA and other deferred savings plans, but then limited the investment options to suit Wall street, not main street....
    We blindly gave our money to Wall Street and they used it against us....
    The rich got richer, as they almost always do.
    The wife and I are doing well, a bit over 6 figures retirement income, about $750K in assets, but there are many who weren't as paranoid as we have always been. Yes, they should have been smarter, but at the same time, Wall Street could have been less greedy.
    How does it do anything for us as a nation when 5% of the country owns 65% of the wealth? Isn't it obvious that 1000 millionaires is better for the economy than having ONE billionaire?
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    sangha's childish mimicry is getting out of hand.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    The ONE and ONLY reason the wealthy are wealthy...is because of the blood, sweat, and tears of the poor & middle class.
    Don't forget purchases.

    And yet, the wealthy have the nerve to attack, demean, and seek to extinguish those who are responsible for their great wealth.
    Horsesh*t. The rich in general are not "attacking" anybody. They're involved in businesses that do or make things ordinary people buy.
    Last edited by Neomalthusian; 07-19-11 at 08:24 PM.

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