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Do You Want Higher Taxes?

translation: okay, you are right... I do not debate.

Funny who showed up as soon as I noted people who take themselves too seriously but stop derailing the thread dude

you and a few others claim that since some poor pay all sorts of state taxes that somehow excuses their having to pay FEDERAL INCOME taxes or federal DEATH taxes

so if its good for the goose why not the gander or are you rejecting your own paradigm?
 
This board is entertainment for me. I do real debating where I get paid well to do it-in front of juries in federal courts or judges in federal appellate courts. This is amusement for me. I do what I want here and I love watching the implosion of those who take this place or themselves too seriously

So you take starting grass movements, learning and influencing others as a joke? Have you no pride? Do you not care about efforts to join together or find solutions in order to hopefully affect positive change? Seriously? What do you care about?
 
that last comment is really stupid. You cannot prove it and your parroting other posters is a clear sign we are dealing with a kid.

Attacking your opponent's character and name calling is not exactly a sign of maturity.

The war on poverty has cost more than any war that has taken place since the W on P began and has created a dependent class and has not changed the percentages of people in poverty

This is an excellent article on the war on poverty: http://www.law.georgetown.edu/pover...ents/TheWaronPovertyandSubsequentPrograms.pdf

Ultimately, this is an issue of income, as the article points out. If the poor can be expected to lift themselves out of poverty, there must be jobs that pay a decent wage. These days, even qualified and educated people struggle to find work. My dad was laid off recently, and he has 30 years of experience as well as an education in his field. It's not just laziness and stupidity. People are struggling.

NOpe, if the middle class and lower were not seduced by the government tit, I suspect far less would wallow in squalor and a lack of ambition. If you subsidize something you increase it and we subsidize dependence

To a certain extent, I agree. Some people will always take advantage of the system. But most people want a life beyond government assistance.

you are lying again-they pay lots of taxes. they pay payroll taxes. they pay taxes on profits earned in other tax jurisdictions. They pay property taxes. and who cares. the people whom own them pay taxes on the income they derive from owning the corporation

There are many examples of corporations receiving tax breaks and subsidies that significantly reduce their overall tax rate.

you aren't subsidizing them-we subsidize you. Your posting frequency here suggests you don't have a job given how much time you spend here during normal working hours.

LOL, I think its more likely hs kid on summer break

Attacking your opponent instead of his position is a sign of a weak argument.
 
It appears as if TRUTH has landed on this section of the planet.
 
So you take starting grass movements, learning and influencing others as a joke? Have you no pride? Do you not care about efforts to join together or find solutions in order to hopefully affect positive change? Seriously? What do you care about?

here-having fun and amusement. try it sometime its good for you
 
Funny who showed up as soon as I noted people who take themselves too seriously but stop derailing the thread dude

you and a few others claim that since some poor pay all sorts of state taxes that somehow excuses their having to pay FEDERAL INCOME taxes or federal DEATH taxes

so if its good for the goose why not the gander or are you rejecting your own paradigm?

You have trouble following your own line of logic. I have always insisted that when you look at the weight of taxation upon American citizens, ALL taxes paid to ALL levels of government should be considered. Corporations are not yet American citizens no matter how much CATO and ALEC and the right wing wished they were.

Now do you see the difference between my position and yours?

yeah --- I know --- silly question .
 
The last one-no clear answer

It has already begun. What do you not understand about ~ "only twice before in American history has so much been held by so few, and the gap between them and the great majority been a chasm--in the late 1920's and in the era of the robber barons in the l880's."

Both of those occasions was followed by a backlash of progressiveness from the American people.
 
got any examples of politicans who actually seek to keep welfare recipients on welfare, and not educated and employed?

sounds like a baseless claim to me

Clinton vetoed two welfare reform bills intended to get people off welfare before political pressure in an election year forced him to sign a third submittal from a GOP House. The net result of the GOP bill was that more people were off welfare. Ergo, Clinton was trying to keep people on welfare.
 
yeah, clothes made in Mexico, Guatemala, and China are of the same quality as clothes made in the USA.

right.....

Typically they're better. The Mayor will take a suit made in Hong Kong over anything made in the US.
 
Do you like the fact that American corporations move their manufacturing operations to nations where horrible labor abuses, insanely low-wages, and rampant fraud & abuse, is legal and allowed?

Do YOU like the fact that it was rampant goonionism, excessive regulation, ridiculously high "minimum" wages laws, and an antagonistic political class and media severely reduce the desirability of starting or keeping a business in the US?
 
Do YOU like the fact that it was rampant goonionism, excessive regulation, ridiculously high "minimum" wages laws, and an antagonistic political class and media severely reduce the desirability of starting or keeping a business in the US?

You have demonstrated NONE of the things you list.
 
Clinton vetoed two welfare reform bills intended to get people off welfare before political pressure in an election year forced him to sign a third submittal from a GOP House. The net result of the GOP bill was that more people were off welfare. Ergo, Clinton was trying to keep people on welfare.

Nonsense. Clinton campaigned on ending welfare as we know it. Clinton had to drag the republicans into voting for welfare reform.
 
Its not a simple matter of decreasing spending and raising taxes. If it were, we had done so a long time ago.
We are a vast, fine tuned machine. When we want to be just to everyone, those who pay taxes and those who benefit from those taxes (that's all of us eventually, more or less), we must seek to create the most sensible oversight possible, and that is one State/local level.
Different infrastructures apply to different States, while our populace is as diverse as their needs.
Many argue that we have too many people wanting a free ride, and that may be true. We also have too many who slip through the cracks, because those who aren't disabled are using up funds.
Raising taxes without closing loopholes is like fixing a huge crack in a dam with a bandage, right?
 
Umm .. have you ever heard of shift work?

I have, and it sucks....especially rotating shifts....takes me 5 days to get accustomed to mids, then 2 days later they change my shift....
 
I have, and it sucks....especially rotating shifts....takes me 5 days to get accustomed to mids, then 2 days later they change my shift....

Oh man, I feel for ya! I did that for 4 years with a job once, I hated it! My favorite was four 12 hour days on and 4 days off. It was very nice having 4 days off each week. :sun
 
Oh man, I feel for ya! I did that for 4 years with a job once, I hated it! My favorite was four 12 hour days on and 4 days off. It was very nice having 4 days off each week. :sun

Me too, been there done that ... I feel for both of you .. I still have to do some shift work
 
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