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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    If you understand the history of the People's Republic of China, you understand what a shift towards the free market has done for them as a nation. Mao's Great Leap Forward was responsible for the starvation of millions. It wasn't until Deng Xiaoping geared China toward a market economy that the conditions of their people started drastically improving. China is not a free market, but the shift towards a market economy has made drastic improvements.
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The GLF wasn't socialism.

    And India has been a socialist nation for a while now.
    India has been moving farther capitalist since 1991. The Great Leap Forward was without a doubt socialism.
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    The only problem I see with your argument is that you are admitting that China is not a free market, yet you argue that a true free market is best (am I correct? is that what you are arguing?). The problem with saying that a "shift" toward a free market helped is that no one else is arguing that a market that has qualities of a free market is bad. I think most people are arguing that a pure Free Market would be bad. The U.S. uses a governed free market .. everyone is O.K. with that ... I think we just don't want to see the necessary governing of the market disappearing. Do you see what I am saying?
    Fair enough. I'm not into anarcho-capitalism, but I understand what you are saying. I think free market qualities are the best, but I understand what you mean.
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    They're part of the owners, it's part theirs, it's part their property. You saying others should be able to tell you want you have to do with your property with no say what so ever by you about your own property?
    They have a say. How do you think say should be calculated?

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    India has been moving farther capitalist since 1991. The Great Leap Forward was without a doubt socialism.
    And India is a socialist nation which is growing faster than we are

    The GLF was communism. It would help if you understood what the words you use really mean
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    Fair enough. I'm not into anarcho-capitalism, but I understand what you are saying. I think free market qualities are the best, but I understand what you mean.
    But you still can't post an example of a free market economy lifting its' people out of poverty
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    They have a say. How do you think say should be calculated?
    Your changing your story. Just a short while ago, you argued they should have no say
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Your changing your story. Just a short while ago, you argued they should have no say
    They have very low stock. Why should their say be able to sway anything?
    Not exactly what I said.

    If someone holds almost nothing in the company why should they have a great sway in the company? Why shouldn't they be the cricket in the room? If they hold a sufficient holdings in the company they have sufficient say. I'm not seeing the problem.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, it's wrong but the govt shouldn't do anything about it!!!
    That is how it should be in some cases. As long as this corporation is doing nothing illegal, it's really non of the governments business how big it's ego gets.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, two of the largest socialist economies are growing faster than the US's.
    This is very much like claiming that the U.S. is not a capitalist country because it isn't purely capitalist. Same with China and India. Both certainly have capitalist aspects to them.

    As I said earlier, there are no true isms.

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