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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

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    Oh I agree with you there. There should be a price to pay for incompetence and the salaries some boards hand out due to ego is a violation of the fiduciary duty the board has to the owners but I don't believe the government should have the power to set salaries
    Yes, it's wrong but the govt shouldn't do anything about it!!!
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Oh I agree with you there. There should be a price to pay for incompetence and the salaries some boards hand out due to ego is a violation of the fiduciary duty the board has to the owners but I don't believe the government should have the power to set salaries
    No, the government should not set salaries. But proper control must be put into the system and the actual business owners (who are the stock holders) should be given their proper power.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That...that's not free market capitalism in China. It's all State controlled essentially. The people aren't allowed to save much. Hell, factories had to release "please don't kill yourself" pamphlets recently to workers because of the increase in suicide. Yeah....I would not really ever exalt China as a shining example of anything just or good.
    If you understand the history of the People's Republic of China, you understand what a shift towards the free market has done for them as a nation. Mao's Great Leap Forward was responsible for the starvation of millions. It wasn't until Deng Xiaoping geared China toward a market economy that the conditions of their people started drastically improving. China is not a free market, but the shift towards a market economy has made drastic improvements.
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, the government should not set salaries. But proper control must be put into the system and the actual business owners (who are the stock holders) should be given their proper power.
    They have very low stock. Why should their say be able to sway anything?

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    If you understand the history of the People's Republic of China, you understand what a shift towards the free market has done for them as a nation. Mao's Great Leap Forward was responsible for the starvation of millions. It wasn't until Deng Xiaoping geared China toward a market economy that the conditions of their people started drastically improving. China is not a free market, but the shift towards a market economy has made drastic improvements.
    Translation: You still can't find an example of the free market lifting people out of poverty, but you did find two where a socialist economy is beginning to do so.
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, two of the largest socialist economies are growing faster than the US's.
    HA! Check out the Great Leap Forward if you want to see socialism. And explain to me how India is a socialist nation...
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    They have very low stock. Why should their say be able to sway anything?
    Because they own more than 90% of the outstanding stock
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    HA! Check out the Great Leap Forward if you want to see socialism. And explain to me how India is a socialist nation...
    The GLF wasn't socialism.

    And India has been a socialist nation for a while now.
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    If you understand the history of the People's Republic of China, you understand what a shift towards the free market has done for them as a nation. Mao's Great Leap Forward was responsible for the starvation of millions. It wasn't until Deng Xiaoping geared China toward a market economy that the conditions of their people started drastically improving. China is not a free market, but the shift towards a market economy has made drastic improvements.
    The only problem I see with your argument is that you are admitting that China is not a free market, yet you argue that a true free market is best (am I correct? is that what you are arguing?). The problem with saying that a "shift" toward a free market helped is that no one else is arguing that a market that has qualities of a free market is bad. I think most people are arguing that a pure Free Market would be bad. The U.S. uses a governed free market .. everyone is O.K. with that ... I think we just don't want to see the necessary governing of the market disappearing. Do you see what I am saying?

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    They have very low stock. Why should their say be able to sway anything?
    They're part of the owners, it's part theirs, it's part their property. You saying others should be able to tell you want you have to do with your property with no say what so ever by you about your own property?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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