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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    Do you want a specific example? Medicine, automobiles, clothing, electricity, internet, etc
    Yes, I would like a specific example of when a free market economy has lifted people out of poverty. So far, you haven't done so
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    How can you even ask such a question.

    Economy of the People's Republic of China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    If you're serious about the subject, I don't think you'd have such misconceptions about private markets vs non-private markets.

    Nothing wrong with lower taxes in the U.S. We have an enormous amount of spending and debt that needs to be cut. If we have a war that threatens our survival, sure, I can envision higher taxes as a necessity.
    Are you seriously arguing that China has a free market economy??
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    I think we were looking for a more global example (i.e. a country or state being lifted out of poverty by true free markets) and I am pretty sure the above mentioned products and services are governed
    India and China are the most recent examples of a move toward free markets. Has done wonders for many of their people.
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Corporations don't have rights. Only individuals possess rights.
    technically true but in general terms false. I should have noted those who run a corporation have rights to operate in the best interests of those who own the corporations which is essentially a long version of what I said.



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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    India and China are the most recent examples of a move toward free markets. Has done wonders for many of their people.
    true while the US has moved away from them. I love all the caterwauling about the evils of free markets generally from those who have not done well in said markets



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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    India and China are the most recent examples of a move toward free markets. Has done wonders for many of their people.
    That...that's not free market capitalism in China. It's all State controlled essentially. The people aren't allowed to save much. Hell, factories had to release "please don't kill yourself" pamphlets recently to workers because of the increase in suicide. Yeah....I would not really ever exalt China as a shining example of anything just or good.
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    technically true but in general terms false. I should have noted those who run a corporation have rights to operate in the best interests of those who own the corporations which is essentially a long version of what I said.
    Well it's a bit of rhetoric, but I believe the rhetoric in this case to be important. And yes, those who own the corporation have the right to operate in the best interest. Those who run the corporation have an obligation to those who own it. It's why I think that shareholders should be allowed to sue the Board and CEO if they **** up their company. If a CEO needs to go, but the Old Boys on the board won't let it happen cause they're all buddies, stock holders should have an option to force it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well it's a bit of rhetoric, but I believe the rhetoric in this case to be important. And yes, those who own the corporation have the right to operate in the best interest. Those who run the corporation have an obligation to those who own it. It's why I think that shareholders should be allowed to sue the Board and CEO if they **** up their company. If a CEO needs to go, but the Old Boys on the board won't let it happen cause they're all buddies, stock holders should have an option to force it.
    Oh I agree with you there. There should be a price to pay for incompetence and the salaries some boards hand out due to ego is a violation of the fiduciary duty the board has to the owners but I don't believe the government should have the power to set salaries



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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    India and China are the most recent examples of a move toward free markets. Has done wonders for many of their people.
    Seriously, are you using China and India as examples? By the way, I was asking for pure Capitalism ... when are you going to admit that pure Capitalism has never existed under conditions like the ones we have today, that it is complete theory and that the theory itself is flawed and doomed for failure? Unless of course you want massive amounts of suffering and poor quality products (made available by monopolies).
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    India and China are the most recent examples of a move toward free markets. Has done wonders for many of their people.
    Yes, two of the largest socialist economies are growing faster than the US's.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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