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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    Free Market Definition: An economic system in which prices are determined by unrestricted competition between privately owned businesses.

    So based on that definition, I think it is pretty clear when and where the free market has lifted people up out of poverty. Of course, I'm sure you could talk to some Cubans about how great government price fixing works.
    And yet, you haven't named one example of this so-called "free market" lifting people out of poverty
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    How can it have failed if it has never been practiced? Free markets have done more to lift people out of poverty than any government could ever dream of doing.
    Actually, sangha is right, you said more than "How can it have failed if it has never been practiced?" .... you also said (in the same post) "Free markets have done more to lift people out of poverty than any government could ever dream of doing" ... see above quoted and your post .. post #337 I believe.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Regardless, the fact remains that the govt was involved in the economy. Your example is not an example of a free market

    So I'll ask again: Can you name when and where a free market has lifted people out of poverty? Then I'll explain why it wasn't a free market (again)
    Has free market become synonymous with laissez faire?
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    Free Market Definition: An economic system in which prices are determined by unrestricted competition between privately owned businesses.

    So based on that definition, I think it is pretty clear when and where the free market has lifted people up out of poverty. Of course, I'm sure you could talk to some Cubans about how great government price fixing works.
    Yeah, umm .. I am pretty sure preventing monopolies are restrictions on competition ... are you saying that there is a time when there was no restrictions on competition?
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Has free market become synonymous with laissez faire?
    You'd have to ask the rightwingers. IMO, they are both myths.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    A highly regulated market, high taxation, Unions, and a big social teet is how you lift people out of poverty.............

    The Poorest American Cities of 2008 (1-30)

    1. Detroit, 33.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 52 years
    2. Cleveland, 30.5% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 20 years
    3. Buffalo, 30.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 43 years
    4. Newark, 26.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 102 years
    5. Miami, 25.6% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 52 years
    6. Fresno, 25.5% in poverty--Republican Mayor for the last 13 years
    7. Cincinnati, 25.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 29 years
    8. Toledo, 24.7% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 20 years
    9. El Paso, 24.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 120 years
    10.Philadelphia, 24.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 57 years
    11. Milwaukee, 23.4% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 49 years
    12. Memphis, 23.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 133 years
    13. St. Louis, 22.9% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 60 years
    14. Dallas, 22.6% in poverty--Republican Mayor for the last 2 years
    14 New Orleans,22.6% in poverty-Democrat Mayor for the last 141 years
    16. Atlanta, 22.4% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 130 years
    17. Stockton, Calif., 21.6% in poverty--No info available--probably Libs
    18. Minneapolis, 21.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 35 years
    19. Pittsburgh, 21.2% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 21 years
    20. Tucson, 20.9% in poverty--No info available--probably Libs
    21. Chicago, 20.6% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 78 years
    22. Columbus,Ohio 20.1% in poverty-Democrat Mayor for the last 9 years
    23. Long Beach, Calif., 19.8% in poverty--No info available--probably Libs
    24. Houston, 19.5% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 88 years
    25 Los Angeles,19.4% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for "the last 8 years"
    26. Baltimore, 19.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 42 years
    27 San Antonio,19.2% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 38 years
    28. Phoenix, 18.9% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 5 years
    29. Boston, 18.7% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 79 years
    30. Denver, 18.4% in poverty----Democrat Mayor for the last 46 years


    .....unfornuately its estimated tp take about 600-700 years for the first lift to finally occur.
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    A unregulated market, low taxation, right to work laws, and no social teet is how you create a republican welfare state.............
    Welfare-queen states - The Washington Post

    the Tax Foundation — a conservative Washington-based think tank — has, however unintentionally, provided the answer. In 2007, the foundation published a survey of 2005 federal spending in each state and compared that with each state’s contribution in federal taxes. In other words, the foundation identified the states that sponge off the federal government and those that subsidize it. The welfare-queen states and the responsible, producing states, as it were.

    The list, alas, hasn’t been updated — in part, no doubt, because conservatives didn’t like what it revealed: that those states that got more back from our government than they paid in were overwhelmingly Republican. The 10 biggest net recipients of taxpayers’ largess were, in order, New Mexico, Mississippi, Alaska, Louisiana, West Virginia, North Dakota, Alabama, South Dakota, Kentucky and Virginia. The 10 states that paid in the most and got back the least were New Jersey, Nevada, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Illinois, Delaware, California, New York and Colorado.
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Actually, sangha is right, you said more than "How can it have failed if it has never been practiced?" .... you also said (in the same post) "Free markets have done more to lift people out of poverty than any government could ever dream of doing" ... see above quoted and your post .. post #337 I believe.
    Sangha said, "And we are saying that your "theory" is nothing more than a myth that has never existed in real life because it is a major FAIL". So sangha made the argument that the free market has never existed. I responded by asking how he could call the free market a failure if HE/SHE doesn't believe the free market ever existed. So I'm not sure what exactly you are arguing, but I didn't claim the free market never existed.
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Well, working for a Japanese OEM supplier I can tell you that they all pay a decent living wage, specifically I know Toyota and Honda pay excellent and they all have very good, cheap, and sometimes free insurance. In my case, I am free medical, eye, and dental, while my daughter cost me just an extra $20 a week.
    There is a Hino manufacturer near my house (Toyota). They pay far less than domestic truck builders pay.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    Sangha said, "And we are saying that your "theory" is nothing more than a myth that has never existed in real life because it is a major FAIL". So sangha made the argument that the free market has never existed. I responded by asking how he could call the free market a failure if HE/SHE doesn't believe the free market ever existed. So I'm not sure what exactly you are arguing, but I didn't claim the free market never existed.
    It really doesn't matter anymore ... just that in your post (#337), you said that free markets have lifted people out of poverty .... sangha was asking for an example of that ... as am I

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