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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I fixed that for you.
    Protecting unions is also a form of govt involvement in the economy. Allowing immigrants like your ancestors into the country is a form of govt involvement in the economy.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You need to read up on the idea a bit more. Monopolies exist in a free market if it at all for a very short period of time due to the lack of government.
    is there an example you can give in real life? or is this in the imaginary free market again?

    I'm interested in what you think, theoretically of course, would happen after monopolies occur?

    Please answer all questions

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You should re-read his post. He didn't say that monopolies don't exist in a free market. He said, in a free market, monopolies will dominate the economy
    I did read it and I said he needs to read up on the idea if he thinks its possible to maintain it.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Japan also makes great cars. I have read that all employees involved in the manufacturing process are paid very well, included in the decision making process and many other way that their employees are treated better. Yet somehow here in the U.S. we seem bent on treating employees like crap and making the decision making process only in the hands of a few ... our cars are also crap ... hmmm .. perhaps we should be taking notes
    Well, working for a Japanese OEM supplier I can tell you that they all pay a decent living wage, specifically I know Toyota and Honda pay excellent and they all have very good, cheap, and sometimes free insurance. In my case, I am free medical, eye, and dental, while my daughter cost me just an extra $20 a week.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Protecting unions is also a form of govt involvement in the economy. Allowing immigrants like your ancestors into the country is a form of govt involvement in the economy.
    Unions can exist naturally in the market, they just can't have the power they posses naturally in the market.

    Immigrants has an effect on the market yes, but the government is only playing with the demands of the market. The market however is still free.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I did read it and I said he needs to read up on the idea if he thinks its possible to maintain it.
    He doesn't have to read anything. All he has to do is look around and realize that the "free market" is a rightwing fantasy
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Unions can exist naturally in the market, they just can't have the power they posses naturally in the market.
    Regardless, the fact remains that the govt was involved in the economy. Your example is not an example of a free market

    So I'll ask again: Can you name when and where a free market has lifted people out of poverty? Then I'll explain why it wasn't a free market (again)


    Immigrants has an effect on the market yes, but the government is only playing with the demands of the market. The market however is still free.
    No, if the govt is playing with the demands of the market, then the govt is involved in the economy, and ergo, it is not a "free market"

    Maybe you should read up on the subject. Your understanding of what a free market is seems to be lacking
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If free markets have never been practiced, how did they lift people out of poverty?
    I didn't say free markets have never existed. Sangha said, "And we are saying that your "theory" is nothing more than a myth that has never existed in real life because it is a major FAIL" to which I asked how it could have failed if it has never been practiced...
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    I didn't say free markets have never existed. Sangha said, "And we are saying that your "theory" is nothing more than a myth that has never existed in real life because it is a major FAIL" to which I asked how it could have failed if it has never been practiced...
    I know. It was *I* who said free markets have never existed. You said they have, but I'm still waiting for you (or anyone else) to provide an example.
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The same way libertarianism has failed without ever having been practiced --- In the marketplace of ideas

    Please tell us when and where this imaginary "free market" lifted anyone up from poverty, and I'll show you a market that the govt is taking part in.
    Free Market Definition: An economic system in which prices are determined by unrestricted competition between privately owned businesses.

    So based on that definition, I think it is pretty clear when and where the free market has lifted people up out of poverty. Of course, I'm sure you could talk to some Cubans about how great government price fixing works.
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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