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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Tobacco companies have been hit with what? Billions in fines. They have been found liable in court many times. Auto manufacturers have been found guilty many times in the deaths of those who use their product. They have paid out who knows how much. This list could go on forever.

    They are simply dealt with differently. Again, I would change that. If a CEO was aware of the problem and let it go, I would personally charge him.
    I think what sangha and I are saying is still true ... they do not pay near as much in percent of their makings as individuals do, they win far more case and they are fined instead of going to jail .... I do not think the consequences are high enough if we are still going to give them the rights of individuals.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    That is what I would change. Of course we would have to actually pursue it unlike passing Sarbanes-Oxley and then completely ignoring it's even a law.
    Yep. Laws like that are a scam, designed to decieve the public into thinking "We've got your back"
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Please tell us when and where this imaginary "free market" lifted anyone up from poverty, and I'll show you a market that the govt is taking part in.
    my grandparents, dad, aunt, and uncle lived in the Alphabet City section of Manhattan during the 30's, 40's, 50's, and 60's. They were lower-class...but did not live in poverty. And they had come here from Ukraine & Czechoslovakia and became garment workers. I'm not sure how the govt. helped them, except by allowing Unions.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well even though the tobacco corps have paid a lot of money out, the government won't let it die.
    They are taking in far too much from the companies which would lead to the question, should we not be able to sue them all the same for their complicity?

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    I could not agree more .. Capitalism as it is theorized and as capitalists believe it should exit ... has never existed ... also I doubt the supporters of the theory would enjoy living in a world run run by the theory ... what a disaster that would be! We'd end up with one large corporations (or a small handful; i.e. monopolies) producing poor products and poor wages (except for the owners of course). Regulation is a necessary evil (so to speak).
    You need to read up on the idea a bit more. Monopolies exist in a free market if it at all for a very short period of time due to the lack of government.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    I think what sangha and I are saying is still true ... they do not pay near as much in percent of their makings as individuals do, they win far more case and they are fined instead of going to jail .... I do not think the consequences are high enough if we are still going to give them the rights of individuals.
    I've not disagreed with that.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I'd agree with this. Other than they have rights as corporations are just groups of people. When they err though they should not be able to hide behind the "corporation".
    I totally agree with this too ... it is the people running the corporations that hurt others (not the "corporation") and they should be the ones punished

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    my grandparents, dad, aunt, and uncle lived in the Alphabet City section of Manhattan during the 30's, 40's, 50's, and 60's. They were lower-class...but did not live in poverty. And they had come here from Ukraine & Czechoslovakia and became garment workers. I'm not sure how the govt. helped them, except by allowing protecting Unions.
    I fixed that for you.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    my grandparents, dad, aunt, and uncle lived in the Alphabet City section of Manhattan during the 30's, 40's, 50's, and 60's. They were lower-class...but did not live in poverty. And they had come here from Ukraine & Czechoslovakia and became garment workers. I'm not sure how the govt. helped them, except by allowing Unions.
    NYC, like the rest of the US, was a regulated economy in the 30's-60's (and beyond) There was a lot of govt involvement in the economy.

    And I don't understand why you think the govt allowing unions does not represent a govt involvement in the economy. The US has never had a "free market" economy. From the very beginning of our nation, the govt has been involved in the economy. Even the Constitution got involved in the economy when it made the fed govt assume the debts of the various states. From the very beginning, the US economy required govt bailouts
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You need to read up on the idea a bit more. Monopolies exist in a free market if it at all for a very short period of time due to the lack of government.
    You should re-read his post. He didn't say that monopolies don't exist in a free market. He said, in a free market, monopolies will dominate the economy
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