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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Tobacco companies have been hit with what? Billions in fines. They have been found liable in court many times. Auto manufacturers have been found guilty many times in the deaths of those who use their product. They have paid out who knows how much. This list could go on forever.

    They are simply dealt with differently. Again, I would change that. If a CEO was aware of the problem and let it go, I would personally charge him.
    Corps tend to be punished in civil court, not criminal court. If I had killed as many people as the tobacco corps have, I'd be rotting in jail, and not getting off after paying a fine.
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Yes, thank you for clarifying .. there is some accountability, only the consequences are not the same for corporations as they are for people. Thanks for clarifying ... I would change that too if I could ... I'm not sure they should have the same rights in the first place .. and if the should ... they certainly should have the same consequences
    I'd agree with this. Other than they have rights as corporations are just groups of people. When they err though they should not be able to hide behind the "corporation".

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    That is irrelevant to the discussion. I am saying that the bailout/control of corporations is not a part of capitalist theory.
    And we are saying that your "theory" is nothing more than a myth that has never existed in real life because it is a major FAIL
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Corps tend to be punished in civil court, not criminal court. If I had killed as many people as the tobacco corps have, I'd be rotting in jail, and not getting off after paying a fine.
    Yes, they are dealt with differently. The statement was that they are not held accountable.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Yes, they are dealt with differently. The statement was that they are not held accountable.
    Fair enough. Make that "criminally accountable" and the statement is true
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Corps tend to be punished in civil court, not criminal court. If I had killed as many people as the tobacco corps have, I'd be rotting in jail, and not getting off after paying a fine.
    Well even though the tobacco corps have paid a lot of money out, the government won't let it die. In fact, when it was getting close to being sued into the history text books, government stepped in to intervene. It makes too much money off of tobacco to let it go away. Government is very addicted to tobacco.

    But there certainly are differences in punishment and accoutability with corporations.
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And we are saying that your "theory" is nothing more than a myth that has never existed in real life because it is a major FAIL
    How can it have failed if it has never been practiced? Free markets have done more to lift people out of poverty than any government could ever dream of doing.
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    How can it have failed if it has never been practiced? Free markets have done more to lift people out of poverty than any government could ever dream of doing.
    The same way libertarianism has failed without ever having been practiced --- In the marketplace of ideas

    Please tell us when and where this imaginary "free market" lifted anyone up from poverty, and I'll show you a market that the govt is taking part in.
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helvidius View Post
    How can it have failed if it has never been practiced? Free markets have done more to lift people out of poverty than any government could ever dream of doing.
    If free markets have never been practiced, how did they lift people out of poverty?
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Fair enough. Make that "criminally accountable" and the statement is true
    That is what I would change. Of course we would have to actually pursue it unlike passing Sarbanes-Oxley and then completely ignoring it's even a law.

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