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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    While this should be true ... unfortunately Corporations are actually treated as though they were individuals with rights. However, an interesting little known fact is that when the corporation screws up and kills, hurts, etc others, they are not held accountable.
    Yes they are, just not in the same way. I would change that.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    that's actually not correct. Corporations have many of the same rights as a "person".
    We have granted them several privileges of the individual, particularly for court's sake. However, fundamentally for what a right is; corporations cannot possess them. They are only held by the individual.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Yes they are, just not in the same way. I would change that.
    Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

    The conviction rate for an individual accused of murdering another individual is higher than 90%. The conviction rate for a corporation that is responsible for the deaths of many individuals is close to 0%

    Killing one is a murder; Killing thousands is a statistic
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Yes they are, just not in the same way. I would change that.
    Yes, thank you for clarifying .. there is some accountability, only the consequences are not the same for corporations as they are for people. Thanks for clarifying ... I would change that too if I could ... I'm not sure they should have the same rights in the first place .. and if the should ... they certainly should have the same consequences
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    We have granted them several privileges of the individual, particularly for court's sake. However, fundamentally for what a right is; corporations cannot possess them. They are only held by the individual.
    kinda......sorta....maybe....but alright.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

    The conviction rate for an individual accused of murdering another individual is higher than 90%. The conviction rate for a corporation that is responsible for the deaths of many individuals is close to 0%

    Killing one is a murder; Killing thousands is a statistic
    Tobacco companies have been hit with what? Billions in fines. They have been found liable in court many times. Auto manufacturers have been found guilty many times in the deaths of those who use their product. They have paid out who knows how much. This list could go on forever.

    They are simply dealt with differently. Again, I would change that. If a CEO was aware of the problem and let it go, I would personally charge him.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Theoretically, corps have no powers because rights are inalienable and endowed by Our Creator. Corporations are man made, and nothing about them is inalienable. However, thanks to the corrupt rightwingers on the Supreme Court, corporations now have the right to finance/bribe politicians.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    do you REALLY think there was ever a time when the USA was a purely Capitalist economy?
    That is irrelevant to the discussion. I am saying that the bailout/control of corporations is not a part of capitalist theory.
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    kinda......sorta....maybe....but alright.
    I think it's an important distinction to make and note. Rights are rights, and can only be possessed by the individual. It's an innate property of humanity. Corporations aren't humans, they're things. Things cannot have rights. We have granted "personhood" in order to make it easier in courts and to have some protection for the individual in the corporation from being directly accountable. But rhetoric has power and I think it's important to make these sorts of distinctions. We shouldn't run around thinking corporations have innate rights the same as humans. They don't.
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