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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why are you trying to derail a point with this silly claim. the fact is many other countries have workers equally skilled to those in the USA -especially in low skilled manufacturing jobs-and at far lower costs
    it is your claim that manufacturing jobs are moved over-seas, because corporations can get the same-quality as American-made products, with mch lower costs, over-seas

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    ..Unions make US labor overpriced which is a main reason why jobs go to labor of the same quality that is cheaper. ie overseas.
    so, I am asking you: do you believe, as you seem to be claiming, that clothes made in Guatemala, China, Japan, Taiwan, Mexico, etc etc...are the same quality as American-made clothes?

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    it is your claim that manufacturing jobs are moved over-seas, because corporations can get the same-quality as American-made products, with mch lower costs, over-seas



    so, I am asking you: do you believe, as you seem to be claiming, that clothes made in Guatemala, China, Japan, Taiwan, Mexico, etc etc...are the same quality as American-made clothes?
    In many cases yes. Japan especially. Under Armor is made in Mexico. BB shirts are made in various countries. Most major shoe companies have their stuff made in china. what exactly are all the American made stuff you bray about?



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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    There is a serious disconnect in your post

    Unions make US labor overpriced which is a main reason why jobs go to labor of the same quality that is cheaper. ie overseas.
    OK, please consider the following:

    1: it seems like Unions exist because enough people got tired of working for unfit wages and or poor working conditions etc.

    2: it seems like large corporations and businesses are not making the profit they desire (i.e. they are very greedy) by paying decent wages etc.

    3: because other countries have lower standards, i.e. their governments allow them to work for next to nothing, and because our government allows us to outsource, companies outsource

    4: it appears that our country would rather supply american citizens with the profits gained on the backs of mistreated outsourced employees (i.e. through providing assistance to the american unemployed, welfare etc.)

    5: it appears as though we have a double standard .. specifically, we allow humans that are not inside our country to work for us under lower wages ... but will not allow this here at home

    So I'm asking myself .. what wrong with this picture?

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    we have to do a better job controlling the government.
    I couldn't agree more, so how do you propose we do this?

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    OK, please consider the following:

    1: it seems like Unions exist because enough people got tired of working for unfit wages and or poor working conditions etc.

    2: it seems like large corporations and businesses are not making the profit they desire (i.e. they are very greedy) by paying decent wages etc.

    3: because other countries have lower standards, i.e. their governments allow them to work for next to nothing, and because our government allows us to outsource, companies outsource

    4: it appears that our country would rather supply american citizens with the profits gained on the backs of mistreated outsourced employees (i.e. through providing assistance to the american unemployed, welfare etc.)

    5: it appears as though we have a double standard .. specifically, we allow humans that are not inside our country to work for us under lower wages ... but will not allow this here at home

    So I'm asking myself .. what wrong with this picture?

    what is wrong with the picture is your idiotic assumption I highlighted in bold

    one of the major problems libs have is whining about unionization being hurt by companies seeking lower labor costs (which of course is the right and proper duty of a corporate manager) and their whining about "the third world". outsourcing businesses helps those third world countries and "spreads the wealth"



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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    In many cases yes. Japan especially. Under Armor is made in Mexico. BB shirts are made in various countries. Most major shoe companies have their stuff made in china. what exactly are all the American made stuff you bray about?
    The GAP, Old Navy, and many brands sold at Macy's and Sears that are manufactured over-seas, are clearly of poorer quality than American-made clothes.

    Corporations don't move their clothing manufacturing operations over-seas because they can get the same high quality for lower costs, they move their operations over-seas because they MAY be able to get the same quality, for basically barely livable wages.

    Do you like the fact that American corporations move their manufacturing operations to nations where horrible labor abuses, insanely low-wages, and rampant fraud & abuse, is legal and allowed?

    Honestly, in the name of the free-market and the acquisition of vast-sums of wealth, you seem to not care.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    cars made in Korea and Japan are generally better than US made cars. Remind me about American made Televisions, or phones etc.

    Where are brooks brothers shirts made? You can google that if you don't own any
    Just so you know (and I can get you a citation, just have to dig through my books), there have been studies on why foreign cars are better. I believe the reasons had nothing to do with low wages. Actually, the employees were paid quite well. Additionally, all employees were involved in decision making processes and so on. In essence, these cars are built well because the companies aren't completely run by greed and corruption, which seems to be so present here.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    The GAP, Old Navy, and many brands sold at Macy's and Sears that are manufactured over-seas, are clearly of poorer quality than American-made clothes.

    Corporations don't move their clothing manufacturing operations over-seas because they can get the same high quality for lower costs, they move their operations over-seas because they MAY be able to get the same quality, for basically barely livable wages.

    Do you like the fact that American corporations move their manufacturing operations to nations where horrible labor abuses, insanely low-wages, and rampant fraud & abuse, is legal and allowed?

    Honestly, in the name of the free-market and the acquisition of vast-sums of wealth, you seem to not care.
    I am waiting for some proof of your claims given some of the most respected brands are made overseas.



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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    Just so you know (and I can get you a citation, just have to dig through my books), there have been studies on why foreign cars are better. I believe the reasons had nothing to do with low wages. Actually, the employees were paid quite well. Additionally, all employees were involved in decision making processes and so on. In essence, these cars are built well because the companies aren't completely run by greed and corruption, which seems to be so present here.
    "greed and corruption" tell us what you do for a living.



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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why are you trying to derail a point with this silly claim. the fact is many other countries have workers equally skilled to those in the USA -especially in low skilled manufacturing jobs-and at far lower costs
    This is not true, compared to living expenses there, they are paid very well (again I have to dig for my source).

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