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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Personally, yes. I'll pay a bit higher taxes, if I can be assured that it will go to paying down the national debt. I personally think EVERYONE, in ALL tax brackets, should pay about 2% or 3% more than what they're paying now--because half of Americans aren't paying ANYTHING.

    I am still shocked that we've just gone through a decade that has seen our brave men and women sent off to war in two dangerous hot spots, and I have not been asked to contribute a DIME more to help fund those war efforts. Why aren't the American people being asked to make ANY sacrifices?
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Punish Success--Reward Failure........thats the spirit comrade.
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    Well lets first start with making the rich pay what poor and middle class pay. Then we can talk about upping their taxes as they are not paying anywhere near what the middle class pay and I proved this in another thread.

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

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    I know, if you want higher taxes then you must pay them and if you do not, you do not have to pay higher taxes!
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Well lets first start with making the rich pay what poor and middle class pay. Then we can talk about upping their taxes as they are not paying anywhere near what the middle class pay and I proved this in another thread.

    Cry me a river for the poor rich folks
    I agree with you totally - I am wondering in what post you proved that the middle class is paying most - thanks

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Except when they didnt.......

    Federal Tax Revenue After The Bush Tax Cuts


    Federal Tax Revenue After The Reagan Tax Cuts


    Federal Tax Revenue After The JFK/Johnson Tax Cuts


    Reality and your contentions do not get along........
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    Again, you are showing total revenue, not income tax revenue, which actually fell after the Reagan tax cuts and Bush tax cuts, as previously shown.
    Revenue increased in the short-run because payroll tax revenue increased. Tax revenue has increased in every decade just because the economy grows and because of inflation.... in in the case of the 1960's and 1980's, there are tax increases peppered in there as well (BTW. your graph even shows a decrease in total tax revenue in the two years following the Reagan cuts... granted they were phased in, but then followed by a tax increase in 1984). The rate of tax revenue increases in the 1980's (95%) was the lowest increase of any decade since the 1920's...

    Your graphs are pretty, but prove nothing. You asked why does the total revenue increase after tax cuts, implying causation. You have had this explained to you numerous times by numerous people, yet you keep asking the same question and keep implying causation.

    (nice why of saying your are not "listening", probably because you don't want to listen, you just want to believe what you want to believe...)
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    great-so that means who? when your dem masters limit their tax hike schemes to the 400 or so billionaires then maybe your rants will have relevance

    last I checked the dems keep wanting to use 200K as the threshold
    All I ask is that the investors (the super wealthy-multi millionaires and up) pay the same as everyone else. That's exactly why I support a flat tax. I do NOT support raising taxes on the upper middle class. I don't know how else to say it. Also, I do NOT support the democrats.
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    You mean when you didn't make a relevent post??

    Dude!! How about showing some increased due to tax increases?? You are so lame for leaving out half the picture!! Let's see the Clinton years!!! Put up our shut up dude!! If you aren't going to post the full picture then what good are you??

    You just don't want to show that Clinton almost doubled the nations income during his time in office.. Did Bush even come close?? Not even!!!
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    Federal Tax Revenue After The Clinton Tax Hike


    Revenues grew at a relative or slower pace when compared to revenue growth after The Bush, Reagan, and JFK Tax Cuts. Time to take off the Clinton knee pads......for now that its been put up......well you know what to do......
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post

    Ask and you shall receive......

    Federal Tax Revenue After The Clinton Tax Hike


    Revenues grew at a relative or slower pace when compared to revenue growth after The Bush, Reagan, and JFK Tax Cuts. Time to take off the Clinton knee pads......for now that its been put up......well you know what to do......
    I always get a kick out of your over simplistic, one dimension data set, truncated graphs..

    How about one with more data....



    It should be noted that the above graph shows "real" growth rates, that is, the growth rates corrected for inflation. The actual numbers and sources for the graph can be found at recgro11.html. As can be seen in the first table, total receipts increased 76.05 percent from 1981 to 1991. However, this was the slowest 10-year growth rate since a 75.41 percent growth in total receipts from 1956 to 1966. Of course, these results are likely skewed by the high inflation that occurred during the 70's. Hence, it makes more sense to look at the "real" (inflation-adjusted) rates. The second table shows that the real growth rate from 1981 to 1991 was 17.72%. The 10-year growth rate increased in the following years to a high of 37.75% from 1984 to 1994. However, the real growth rate of total receipts reached higher highs of 42.63% in 1971 to 1981 and 53.11% from 1990 to 2000.

    Another serious flaw in the doubling of revenues argument is that it looks at all revenues. The FICA tax rate increased from 6.13 percent in 1980 to 7.65 percent in 1990. To include an increase in revenues gained through a tax hike in order to argue in favor of tax cuts would seem extremely hypocritical. Hence, we need to look only at revenues obtained from individual income taxes. According to the second table, the real growth in individual income tax receipts was 9.41% from 1981 to 1991 and 10.41% from 1982 to 1992. These were the lowest growth rates of any of the 58 10-year spans from 1940 to 2007. However, these record lows were surpassed by 1998 to 2008 (5.77%) and 1999 to 2009 (-19.36%).

    Hence, the evidence is that the Reagan tax cuts DECREASED revenues over what they would have been, at least over the short (10-year) term. The only remaining argument in favor of the Reagan tax cuts, at least from a revenue point of view, would seem to be that they permanently raised the level of the GDP, thus bringing in slightly higher revenues far into the future. According to the graph and second table, the GDP reached a high 10-year growth rate of 35.2% from 1983 to 1993. However, it reached higher highs of 37.5 from 1992 to 2002, 45.71% from 1947 to 1957, and 50.28% from 1958 to 1968. In fact, the above graph shows that the 10-year growth rate in the GDP has been relatively stable since 1975 to 1985 though it began to drop in 2008 and is projected to stay weak through 2015. Hence, these figures don't provide any strong evidence that the Reagan tax cuts permanently affected the GDP one way or the other.

    Effect of the Reagan, Kennedy, and Bush Tax Cuts

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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Again, you are showing total revenue, not income tax revenue, which actually fell after the Reagan tax cuts and Bush tax cuts, as previously shown.
    Individual and Corporate Income Tax After The Reagan Tax Cuts


    Individual and Corporate Income Tax After The Bush Tax Cuts


    The thing with Liberalism.......is its the complete lie and utter fraud it has always been.

    But even if the lies you believe were true......the income tax is not the only apparatus by which government sucks the blood out of the people.....albeit is one of the most damaging. There is a clear benefit to allowing We The People to keep and spend our own money.........and doing so gives liberal government more opportunites and a bigger vein.
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    Re: Do You Want Higher Taxes?

    Quote Originally Posted by SPC View Post
    OK. I just had to do this since Obama seems to think that 80% of Americans want higher taxes. Well......let's find out.
    No I do not want higher taxes. Solving a spending problem with more taxes amounts to smoking more cigarettes to solve a smoking problem.
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