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    Re: How's this for a compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    No tax increases of any kind. Debt ceiling reduced, not even maintained, and forget about raising it ever again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Go troll somewhere else Jerry, I actually want to see what people feel on this matter.
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    How's this for a compromise?Jerry, basement is for trolling, upstairs is for honest discussion. You are trolling.

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    Re: How's this for a compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Go troll somewhere else Jerry, I actually want to see what people feel on this matter.
    That's very cute, but I'm not trolling. This is how I genuinely feel on the matter.

    I think I represent the growing rage and frustration of the public against how bloated our government has become.

    If you don't like anyone's opinion, there's an "ignore" feature at your disposal

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    Saw the mod post after I posed this, my bad.

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    Re: How's this for a compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    So you oppose any plan with tax increases, no matter what the ratio?
    Taxes are high enough. It's time to now increase tax revenue by lowering the tax rate, while cutting spending, beginning with the repeal of ObanaCare. If ObamaCare is off the table, then imo we should let the US go into default.
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    Re: How's this for a compromise?

    Taxes are high enough. It's time to now increase tax revenue by lowering the tax rate
    Tax revenues dropped after the most recent tax cuts, so they certainly won't increase by cutting them further.

    beginning with the repeal of ObanaCare. If ObamaCare is off the table, then imo we should let the US go into default.
    Obamacare doesn't come into full effect until 2014. What is so urgent about repealing it that you are willing to make the U.S. default? Wouldn't it be far less devastating to the nation to repeal it after the 2012 elections?

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    Re: How's this for a compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So you criticize my hypothetical compromise for being lopsided, and then you propose that the Republicans cave on something they've stated they want (Not to raise the debt limit) in exchange for....nothing? Or at most, in exchange for cuts the Democratic Vice President's group suggested. So you complain mine is lopsided and then push one that is Republicans compromising in exchange for ...... nothing?
    The good credit of the United States is not a bargaining chip that the Democrats "win" as a reward for caving on a series of Republican policies...a government that doesn't default on its obligations is supposedly something that EVERYONE wants (Boehner and McConnell have both made it very clear that they consider not raising the debt ceiling to be unthinkable and undesirable). The immediate solution I'm offering to the debt ceiling crisis gives the Republicans something they want (some spending cuts, albeit not as large as they'd like) and the Democrats essentially nothing at all. The real negotiations will need to be over the real drivers of the long-term deficit, and will need to play out over months or years rather than days.
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    Re: How's this for a compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Obamacare doesn't come into full effect until 2014. What is so urgent about repealing it that you are willing to make the U.S. default? Wouldn't it be far less devastating to the nation to repeal it after the 2012 elections?
    It needs to be repealed before the elections so that Obama is removed from office the Democrat party in general looses power in Congress. McCain was at least easier to control.

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    Re: How's this for a compromise?

    It needs to be repealed before the elections so that Obama is removed from office the Democrat party in general looses power in Congress. McCain was at least easier to control.
    If the republicans don't increase the debt ceiling, they will get blamed for consequences of defaulting and get slaughtered in 2012. Your strategy does the opposite of what you want.

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    Re: How's this for a compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    If the republicans don't increase the debt ceiling, they will get blamed for consequences of defaulting and get slaughtered in 2012. Your strategy does the opposite of what you want.
    I won't cry if/when they do. I'm not on their team. McCain is a RINO, not a real Republican, but as you may see if you correctly read my post, I was not supporting him because of his party, but of how much easier it would be to control.

    I'm not concerned with anyone getting blamed for the debt ceiling, they were wrong to establish it in the first place. We keep moving the ceiling, so it's not actually a ceiling, but a comfort zone. We will in fact borrow as much as we damn well want. As a nation we have no discipline.

    I like how Obama is still threatening social security and military pay while sitting on that unspent TARP money.


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    Re: How's this for a compromise?

    I won't cry if/when they do. I'm not on their team. McCain is a RINO, not a real Republican, but as you may see if you correctly read my post, I was not supporting him because of his party, but of how much easier it would be to control.
    You just said you wanted the democrats out of power. Regardless of your distaste for the republicans, they are your only other option.

    I'm not concerned with anyone getting blamed for the debt ceiling, they were wrong to establish it in the first place. We keep moving the ceiling, so it's not actually a ceiling, but a comfort zone. We will in fact borrow as much as we damn well want. As a nation we have no discipline.
    I'll agree with that. The debt ceiling has done nothing to stop out of control spending and puts the nation at risk for default.

    I like how Obama is still threatening social security and military pay while sitting on that unspent TARP money.
    While Obama may be scaremongering for all he is worth, he isn't wrong. If he has to cut 43% of the budget, TARP money is a drop and bucket and cuts will have to be made to defense and SS.

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    Re: How's this for a compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    You just said you wanted the democrats out of power. Regardless of your distaste for the republicans, they are your only other option.
    We could just draft a new constitution and reset our currency.

    Our founders thought this would occur at least every generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    While Obama may be scaremongering for all he is worth, he isn't wrong. If he has to cut 43% of the budget, TARP money is a drop and bucket and cuts will have to be made to defense and SS.
    All I'm saying there is he has no legitimacy to threaten social security or anything else until that TARP money is spent.

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