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    Re: How's this for a compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Are you suggesting that every rate is increased like 2% across the board or something? Or are you playing Class Warfare, no different than the Democrats, when you are suggesting we should increase it only on the bottom of the bracket where it only significantly affects the lower classes. That is no different than what they're doing by saying we should increase it only at the top.

    1) there should be no tax increases but if there is an increase those who aren't paying any federal income tax should be the first to face an increase

    2) THe top few percent pay too much as it is



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    Re: How's this for a compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    No. You want the spending cuts to happen immediately, and the tax hikes in two years. I don't trust the Republicans (or the Democrats) enough to adhere to that agreement. And in any case, 1% isn't enough...especially if the Bush Tax Cuts ARE made permanent. Certainly not enough to justify a 43% cut in spending starting next year.
    Just to clarify, 1% per tax bracket starting at the 2nd tax bracket (So the 0 - 8.5k bracket would not see an increase)

    So the top tax bracket would be at 40% if the Bush Tax Cuts stayed in place...which is HIGHER (by a slight amount) then the pre-bush tax cut levels. If the Bush Tax Cuts expired then that number would be almost 45%

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    Re: How's this for a compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    But you don't. You just said to do the tax increases immedietely. The balanced budget wouldn't come into affect until 2012. And would still be contingent on the Democrats actually making good with their agreement after the taxes are already in place.

    You say you agree with no tax increases if we don't balance the budget.......but you also said you want tax increases NOW. those don't jive.



    This is the penalty we take for allowing it to get this far both under Obama and Bush. Things should not have gotten to the point that they are now and if we don't suffer some problems in the short term we're going to suffer them far worse in the long term. I'm not one you're going to boogeyman into submission with threats of bad things happening or hard times...I expect that. You don't run up the bill and the problems this country has done fiscally and expect to fix it without pain. Its not realistic.

    And I am against putting into a mentality that somehow the pain that we are ALL responsable for enabling should be felt only by the wealthy through force. I am against the notion that somehow putting that mentality into place isn't going to just cause it to continue to increase. And I am against the notion that I find illogical and simply wrong that magically if we start gouging the wealthy for even more than we do now that the Democrats (and republicans as well) will finally find fiscal responsability rather than going "Hey, we have more money, that means we don't have to cut as much or worry about reforming things right now".

    Giving them more revenue, if we even buy the premesis that Taxes will significantly do that, is just going to kick the can down the road farther one what really needs to happen which is getting our spending under control.

    If we're looking for a painless fix in this then we're not being realistic.

    one third of 1 percent. big deal. and a total of 1% total is hardly "gouging the wealthy".....please. i know there won't be a painless fix, it could get very ugly. the poor and middle class will undoubtedly suffer the ugliness FAR MORE than the wealthy will. it's their programs that will cut.....after all. no tax increase combined with spending cuts means exactly that.....the wealthy are unaffected and the poor and middle class are heavily affected. that's hardly sharing the pain.

    do you really want to know what this country would be like without a middle class?

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    Re: How's this for a compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    1) there should be no tax increases but if there is an increase those who aren't paying any federal income tax should be the first to face an increase

    2) THe top few percent pay too much as it is
    Gotcha, Democrat reverse. Class Warfare, its Bi-Partisan goodness

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    Re: How's this for a compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    one third of 1 percent. big deal. and a total of 1% total is hardly "gouging the wealthy".....please. i know there won't be a painless fix, it could get very ugly. the poor and middle class will undoubtedly suffer the ugliness FAR MORE than the wealthy will. it's their programs that will cut.....after all. no tax increase combined with spending cuts means exactly that.....the wealthy are unaffected and the poor and middle class are heavily affected. that's hardly sharing the pain.

    do you really want to know what this country would be like without a middle class?

    if taxes need to be increased we should first tax those who are paying way less than they should not those who already pay way more than they should



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    Re: How's this for a compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    federal income taxes on the poor have decreased even more and the top 1 and 5 percent are paying more of the federal tax burden than at any time in the last 55 years
    And they also have their greatest share of national wealth since just before the Great Depression.

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    Re: How's this for a compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    if taxes need to be increased we should first tax those who are paying way less than they should not those who already pay way more than they should
    And if we close loopholes, we would probably do that...

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    Re: How's this for a compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    And they also have their greatest share of national wealth since just before the Great Depression.
    as time goes on those who have money to invest are always going to increase their wealth

    what you fail to account for is that top group is not the same people year in year out



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    Re: How's this for a compromise?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    do you really want to know what this country would be like without a middle class?
    Can we put you on the nightly news? You'd be great with scaring people about bird flu, or wait swine flu, wait I mean killer hurricane season, I mean wait the next catastrophe.

    Wait just 2 years to raise taxes....we kill the middle class. Don't raise the debt limit, we destroy the worlds economy. Cut spending and vandals will rove the streets. So what you're saying is if we don't do it the way you all want that literally in 2 years time all chaos will break out.

    Could things get bad down the road, absolutely...both sides agree with that. But this doomsday talk as if its all going to hell immedietely if one side doesn't get thier way is being ridiculous on both sides

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    Re: How's this for a compromise?

    Here's the thing. EVERYONE wants a balanced budget. The issue is not whether or not to cut spending. It's WHAT to cut. Democrats want to cut things like military spending, and tax spending to increase the wealth of the upper class. Republicans want to cut things like social security, education, and aid programs. That's where the conflict arises.
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