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If Republicans Offer a Shorter Term Deal

If Republicans Pass a smaller Debt Ceiling Increase; What should Democrats Do?

  • Accept it and continue to work towards the "President's Big Deal"

    Votes: 7 53.8%
  • Refuse it and "send the economy into default"

    Votes: 4 30.8%
  • Run out the clock and then pass it in a hurry after Aug 2, to scare Seniors

    Votes: 2 15.4%

  • Total voters
    13
From my point of view, which always seems to be a minority POV, what I’d like to have happen is a short term debt increase w/ a few cuts and a few tax loop holes fixed but not much. Just a small deal, enough to get through the next election. What we have now is a stalemate. The electorate can fix it. Both the Senate and the House with one party having a large majority. Everyone that listens has heard all the theories about what needs to be done. I expect that we’ll survive until then.
Btw, I voted for "Accept it and continue to work towards the "President's Big Deal". But, I’d have preferred 'Accept it and continue to work towards the next election.'
 
Such is the self imposed irrelevancy of the conservative caucus, House Republicans can't pass a debt ceiling increase in any form acceptable to the Senate without House Democratic votes. This is a debate mostly among Democrats.
 
The President says he wants a "big deal" because he doesn't want to "kick the can down the road".

Mind you, he spent most of the year wanting to do precisely that - calling for a "clean" debt ceiling bill. But be that as it may.


It is also becoming clear that the two sides may have (at this point) mutually defeating points on which they are unwilling to budge. Most specifically, Republicans will not raise taxes and Democrats are refusing to not raise taxes. Both sides, however, agree that they "want to reduce the deficit" (though given that Democrats are calling for additional spending in this deal, I maintain my own opinion on how serious they are about this).


The Secretary of the Treasury, the President, and most of the high-level Democratic Leadership are generally pretty sure that the heavens will split and the antichrist will come forth on August 3. That's a bit of an exaggeration; but not much. Republicans point out that we have enough money to pay for our debt, social security, medicare, the troops, and half of Medicaid; and so it's unlikely to be quite the disaster predicted.... but both agree it's going to be intensely painful; and probably harmful to an anemic and exceedingly weak recovery.



Ergo: more than a few conservatives are proposing that the House go ahead and pass a debt - ceiling increase matched to spending cuts of their choosing. The amount can be large enough to buy us room to negotiate the Big Deal that the President now claims to want (tax reform, entitlement reform, and so on and so forth), but not be so huge as to be Republicans trying to force a one-sided approach to the debt ceiling between now and Nov 2012.

Should Republicans take their advice, and pass (say) a three to five month extension of the debt ceiling tied to spending cuts to match; what should the Administration and Senate Democrats do? The ball will be in their court to either accept the rise, or go into an economic period that they claim would be disastrous for the nation. They would be then forced to make the argument that these upheavals were worth them shooting for political advantage - an argument not slated to go over well with the electorate.

Short term deals should be rejected because if they do a short term deal the issue will get pushed aside and ignored until it becomes a hot button issue again and we are even in a bigger mess and it will be a lot more painful trying to fix it.
 
Short term deals should be rejected because if they do a short term deal the issue will get pushed aside and ignored until it becomes a hot button issue again and we are even in a bigger mess and it will be a lot more painful trying to fix it.

the Debt Ceiling was never supposed to be The Solution; it was just another chance to make a downpayment towards that goal.

The Solution is a Government in January 2013 with a Republican Majority in both Houses and one in the White House dedicated roughly to the Ryan Plan framework.

The Debt Ceiling, like the Continuing Resolution, is just another chance to do some good.
 
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