View Poll Results: If Republicans Pass a smaller Debt Ceiling Increase; What should Democrats Do?

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  • Accept it and continue to work towards the "President's Big Deal"

    8 53.33%
  • Refuse it and "send the economy into default"

    4 26.67%
  • Run out the clock and then pass it in a hurry after Aug 2, to scare Seniors

    3 20.00%
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    Re: If Republicans Offer a Shorter Term Deal

    all three are lousy options and appear to be carefully selected to present limited options for partisan purposes.

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    Re: If Republicans Offer a Shorter Term Deal

    such a blithering idiot that he's able to turn this situation, which currently favors the President, into one that heavily favors the Republicans?



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    Re: If Republicans Offer a Shorter Term Deal

    hmmmm.... should have made this poll public. Mods - can you help us out?

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    Re: If Republicans Offer a Shorter Term Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    hmmmm.... should have made this poll public. Mods - can you help us out?
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    Re: If Republicans Offer a Shorter Term Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The President says he wants a "big deal" because he doesn't want to "kick the can down the road".

    Mind you, he spent most of the year wanting to do precisely that - calling for a "clean" debt ceiling bill. But be that as it may.


    It is also becoming clear that the two sides may have (at this point) mutually defeating points on which they are unwilling to budge. Most specifically, Republicans will not raise taxes and Democrats are refusing to not raise taxes. Both sides, however, agree that they "want to reduce the deficit" (though given that Democrats are calling for additional spending in this deal, I maintain my own opinion on how serious they are about this).


    The Secretary of the Treasury, the President, and most of the high-level Democratic Leadership are generally pretty sure that the heavens will split and the antichrist will come forth on August 3. That's a bit of an exaggeration; but not much. Republicans point out that we have enough money to pay for our debt, social security, medicare, the troops, and half of Medicaid; and so it's unlikely to be quite the disaster predicted.... but both agree it's going to be intensely painful; and probably harmful to an anemic and exceedingly weak recovery.



    Ergo: more than a few conservatives are proposing that the House go ahead and pass a debt - ceiling increase matched to spending cuts of their choosing. The amount can be large enough to buy us room to negotiate the Big Deal that the President now claims to want (tax reform, entitlement reform, and so on and so forth), but not be so huge as to be Republicans trying to force a one-sided approach to the debt ceiling between now and Nov 2012.

    Should Republicans take their advice, and pass (say) a three to five month extension of the debt ceiling tied to spending cuts to match; what should the Administration and Senate Democrats do? The ball will be in their court to either accept the rise, or go into an economic period that they claim would be disastrous for the nation. They would be then forced to make the argument that these upheavals were worth them shooting for political advantage - an argument not slated to go over well with the electorate.
    Holy push polling!

    To make my reply in the nature of your post: Since republicans only care about spending when it is democrats who do it, I would call their bluff, let all the obvious blame for the harm to the country fall on the republicans(because any one who really thinks about it knows it is all their fault for kicking the can down the street all these years and for playing power politics with the countries economic health) and then do what we want after the 2012 election when not a single republican wins or retains office.

    Seriously cp, it would really help if you could look at all critically at republicans. When you post tripe like this poll, it's just laughable.
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    Re: If Republicans Offer a Shorter Term Deal

    dang.


    okay, so so far we have 6 votes for passing it, 3 votes for passing it after inflicting some pain in hopes of gaining a political advantage, and 1 vote in favor of a roughly 40% cut in federal spending. anyone want to self-identify?

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    Re: If Republicans Offer a Shorter Term Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Holy push polling!

    To make my reply in the nature of your post: Since republicans only care about spending when it is democrats who do it, I would call their bluff, let all the obvious blame for the harm to the country fall on the republicans(because any one who really thinks about it knows it is all their fault for kicking the can down the street all these years and for playing power politics with the countries economic health) and then do what we want after the 2012 election when not a single republican wins or retains office.

    Seriously cp, it would really help if you could look at all critically at republicans. When you post tripe like this poll, it's just laughable.
    apparently you didn't read the context of the question. I will refrain from accusing you of being a liar, and simply point out your error.

    the question is: should Republicans send up a debt ceiling hike that doesn't go past the next election (which is what the President wants) that is tied to only spending cuts, should the Democrats pass it anyway to avoid what they claim would be catastrophic consequences?

    if you want to discuss whether or not Republicans would be blamed for being the only group in the room to have actually put forth a plan to raise the debt ceiling, then we can do that - but lets' maybe not accuse each other of dishonesty simply because we disagree .

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    Re: If Republicans Offer a Shorter Term Deal

    Ergo: more than a few conservatives are proposing that the House go ahead and pass a debt - ceiling increase matched to spending cuts of their choosing.
    I just have one question. Who decides the spending cuts and what will they be? I mean, which House?

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    Re: If Republicans Offer a Shorter Term Deal

    Dems should do exactly what they want most, love most, and crave most - hold out for higher taxes. Are they principled or are they not? If they do anything less, even if it costs them the presidency, remember! - they have sold out their base and made deals to benefit the rich.

    Put up or shut up already.

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    Re: If Republicans Offer a Shorter Term Deal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    apparently you didn't read the context of the question. I will refrain from accusing you of being a liar, and simply point out your error.

    the question is: should Republicans send up a debt ceiling hike that doesn't go past the next election (which is what the President wants) that is tied to only spending cuts, should the Democrats pass it anyway to avoid what they claim would be catastrophic consequences?

    if you want to discuss whether or not Republicans would be blamed for being the only group in the room to have actually put forth a plan to raise the debt ceiling, then we can do that - but lets' maybe not accuse each other of dishonesty simply because we disagree .
    I think you missed the point. I was making fun of your style in the OP.
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