View Poll Results: What should Obama do if debt ceiling is not raised?

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  • Pay interest on the bonds etc. cuts elsewhere; preserve US credit.

    8 29.63%
  • Pay things like SS, Medicare, Medicaid, etc.; preserve people.

    5 18.52%
  • Even % cuts across the board.

    4 14.81%
  • Pay everything he thinks needs to be paid regardless of the debt ceiling.

    6 22.22%
  • Ask all that voted against raising the debt ceiling to tell him what to not pay.

    0 0%
  • Ask congress to pass a law that directs him on what to pay.

    4 14.81%
  • Do nothing; wait for congress to do something when things are more obvious.

    0 0%
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    Re: What should Obama do if debt ceiling is not raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigkat80 View Post
    It seems you cannot or have not shown where the Koch brothers rule anything. The fact that they may or may not be wealthy does not prove that they are manipulating or engineering anything. ... obama does not rule in fact he cant even lead. obama is an elected puppet for George Sorros and the rabid left. We have no rulers in this country. There was your mistake, my quote was pertaining to an actual king that was a ruler, not these jack wagons we have now. If my quote pertains to anything it is the encumbered body of the whole bloated government, that is as near a ruler as we have right now and it needs to be starved.
    Oh, I see that you found another that does ‘concealed transactions’, George Soros. You claim he’s a ruler, “obama is an elected puppet for George Sorros”. George Soros and the Koch Brothers both have been ‘leading’. Excellent. Next, follow your own advice from Patrick Henry: “The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them.” So investigate why they are using their money to, as you say, buy puppets. You may find differences between Soros and Koch Brothers desire.
    Also, who else is using the description 'jack wagons'?

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    Re: What should Obama do if debt ceiling is not raised?

    I have always used the term jack Wagon.....I haven't a clue who else is using it.
    The difference between Soros and the Koch Brothers soros has manipulated a countries Currency in order to collapse them, The Koch brothers gave a donations to a Wisconsin Governors race you really trying to compare them! Seriously?
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    Re: What should Obama do if debt ceiling is not raised?

    Publicly blame the republicans.. It is there fault anyways.. While he is at it.. He can also blame them on not initiating a jobs bill since they took the house.. Talk about their war on medicare or Social Security.. Talk about how they want to destroy the economy in hopes of electing a republican..

    Whatever he does he should clearly and bluntly lay the blame on the republican party.. They voted for an increase 9 times for Bush.. It is totally rediculous to not want to do it now.. The only reason they have is that he is black and a democrat..

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    Re: What should Obama do if debt ceiling is not raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by DemonMyst View Post
    Publicly blame the republicans.. It is there fault anyways.. While he is at it.. He can also blame them on not initiating a jobs bill since they took the house.. Talk about their war on medicare or Social Security.. Talk about how they want to destroy the economy in hopes of electing a republican..

    Whatever he does he should clearly and bluntly lay the blame on the republican party.. They voted for an increase 9 times for Bush.. It is totally rediculous to not want to do it now.. The only reason they have is that he is black and a democrat..
    And every single Democrat voted against it in 2006 Including Obama...what they hated a white president. Lame argument at best. I can promise you no matter who's fault it is, its Obama's problem cause everyone knows in politics the economy when its bad hurts the incumbent president. ITs the econmy stupid and if this sucker stays bad, Buh Bye Barack
    Last edited by Bigkat80; 07-16-11 at 11:11 PM.
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    Re: What should Obama do if debt ceiling is not raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigkat80 View Post
    I have always used the term jack Wagon.....I haven't a clue who else is using it.
    The difference between Soros and the Koch Brothers soros has manipulated a countries Currency in order to collapse them, The Koch brothers gave a donations to a Wisconsin Governors race you really trying to compare them! Seriously?
    You have got to look deeper in both. The Koch brothers do a lot more than make donations to a Wisconsin Governors race and so does Soros. They both are using their money to change things, i.e. to lead things to change. They fit what Patrick Henry warns about. Note Patrick Henry is not saying watch one political leaning, rather watch all. And I'm not saying they are all bad or good.
    I've heard Jack Wagon used on TV, but I don't recall who used it.

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    Re: What should Obama do if debt ceiling is not raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    You have got to look deeper in both. The Koch brothers do a lot more than make donations to a Wisconsin Governors race and so does Soros. They both are using their money to change things, i.e. to lead things to change. They fit what Patrick Henry warns about. Note Patrick Henry is not saying watch one political leaning, rather watch all. And I'm not saying they are all bad or good.
    I've heard Jack Wagon used on TV, but I don't recall who used it.
    First of all I dont lean either way, I think the Republicans are equally FUBAR, but I know Obama will do more damage than any republican out there so They have my centrist support. Secondly, I have used that term since my DI used it on me in 1980 Boot Camp. It kinda stuck. R.Lee Ermey (sp) uses it all the time it must be a Drill Seargeant thing.
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    Re: What should Obama do if debt ceiling is not raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    You have got to look deeper in both. The Koch brothers do a lot more than make donations to a Wisconsin Governors race and so does Soros. They both are using their money to change things, i.e. to lead things to change. They fit what Patrick Henry warns about. Note Patrick Henry is not saying watch one political leaning, rather watch all. And I'm not saying they are all bad or good.
    I've heard Jack Wagon used on TV, but I don't recall who used it.
    I dont need to look any further The Koch Brothers are small Potatoes compared to Sorros.
    Individual donations to 527 organizations (2001 to 2010)
    George Soros: $32.5 million
    Koch Brothers: $1.5 million


    So-called 527 groups are non-profit, tax-exempt organizations that are allowed to raise money for political activities including voter mobilization efforts, issue advocacy and other actions. They are allowed to raise unlimited amounts of money from individuals, corporations and unions. Until earlier this year, they could not use these unlimited contributions to expressly advocate for the election or defeat of a federal candidate. Federal court rulings -- including Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission and SpeechNow.org v. Federal Election Commission -- have broken down that restriction. For more information go here, here and here.

    As mentioned previously, Soros spent $24 million in under two years and did so in his determination to defeat George W. Bush in 2004. He told the Washington Post in November 2003, "America under Bush, is a danger to the world. I'm willing to put my money where my mouth is." Since December 2008, Soros has only donated $4,000 to these types of groups. On June 30th of this year, David Koch made a $1 million donation to the Republican Governors Association, his largest one-time donation to date.
    The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them. Patrick Henry

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    Re: What should Obama do if debt ceiling is not raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigkat80 View Post
    I dont need to look any further The Koch Brothers are small Potatoes compared to Sorros.
    You are not following your own advice to others. “I dont need to look any further…” I got this response many times as a design engineer and systems architect counter my advice. Then let’s look at one example of leadership in the very political Global Warming issue. If you believe that Global Warming science and engineering are belief driven and not based on truth you might want to verify the data that is being used. Especially if you think it’s a lie. The Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project, a scientific effort to compile an open database of the Earth's surface temperature records. More accurately, an effort to challenge Global Warming data because Koch and others think that the scientists and engineers are feathering their own nests by developing scare tactics. The Berkeley project's biggest private backer of the $620,000 project, at $150,000, is the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation. What is interesting about the conclusion of this effort is that it ended up supporting the previous data and that Global Warming is real. This is just one of very many efforts, with political direction and goals, of the Koch Brothers. I like this one because of my personal experiences.

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    Re: What should Obama do if debt ceiling is not raised?

    "Oh then I see", your a global alarmist, beleiving in all the junk science that has become the Anthropogenic Global warming scam led by Al Gore, Now I see why your having such issues with comparing apples to peanuts.....That explains alot. Global warming and the hulabaloo about it are completely based in total data mining and manipulation by its proponents. When all the data is used, icluding the medeviel warming period, and the Ice core samples that indicate we are merely in a 1500 year cycle that has repeated itself often since the oceans turned blue due to oxygen getting rid of the space debris iraon from the oceans water around what 4.1 billion years ago, Then maybe we can get serious, but until then its Junk. back to the Koch brothers, Their donations are not politcal in that arena they are buisness men and The Global warming scam threatens their profits. Any good buisness man would use some assets to protect larger assets. Again Sorros equals apples, Koch Equals= Peanuts. Actually based on agenda and size of politcal interference its more like water mellons to peanuts.
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    Re: What should Obama do if debt ceiling is not raised?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigkat80 View Post
    ... back to the Koch brothers, Their donations are not politcal in that arena they are buisness men and The Global warming scam threatens their profits. Any good buisness man would use some assets to protect larger assets.
    You wrote “Their donations are not political in that arena they are business men… Any good business man would use some assets to protect larger assets.” And in earlier posts you were arguing the opposite. Now you list the motivation that I agree with, protect assets. Now we agree, using the Koch Brothers as an example, almost everything government leadership does can affect their business, so the Koch Brothers use their leadership capability. They even have separate organizations to do leading, the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation is an example.
    Last edited by OhIsee.Then; 07-18-11 at 11:27 AM. Reason: quote didn't work

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