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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This chart is a perfect example of the flaw in so many of your arguments. That flaw being looking only at one factor and acting as if its the only one at play.
    If you went to work tomorrow........with government seizing 40% of your profits.........would you say thats a pretty BIG FACTOR?

    For example the US easily has a better economic outlook than many of the countries on that list which according to your chart have lower coperate income tax rates, so if we only look at one factor than lowering tax rates would make us more like Greece, or Spain, or Portugal, or Ireland, or Mexico, or Italy. That doesn't help your argument.
    The mass exodus of US Companies and Employers......the absolute void of foreign companies shipping jobs to the US.........makes my argument......and wraps it and puts a big bow on it for you.
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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    the question seemed to be about Canada and Switzerland. however, you are right to point out that the corporate tax rate is only one factor.



    you will notice that, when a large variety of factors are included, both Switzerland and Canada, are, in fact, enjoying economies that are freer than ours; with Switzerland occupying the #5 slot, Canada taking #6, and the US taking #9. Critically, while both of those economies are in the process of becoming even more free, we are in the process of becoming less free. Now, would you like to know how Canada and Switzerland are doing v the US when it comes to our "recovery"?
    O I'm not debating the US needs to loosen the chains so to speak, or that its impossible for other countries to have a better way. I was really arguing that Badmutha makes poor arguments. Heck even I have to acknowledge he can be right every now and then even if for all the wrong reasons, for example he stated earlier that we shoul cut military spending, I totally agree but I'm sure our reasons are completely different.

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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Maybe this guy can help.........


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    If they vote for tax increases, they will hurt any Republican running for office. They will also go back on their promises. The tax increases will also not solve the problem. We already have one party (and some libertarians, you know who you are) that support tax increases....we don't need another.
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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    If you went to work tomorrow........with government seizing 40% of your profits.........would you say thats a pretty BIG FACTOR?
    I don't disagree that tax policy should be revised, along with a whole lot of other things. And I don't disagree that taxes should be as low as the situation allows, I was just pointing out your over simplification of an extremely compliticated issue.

    Also I'm in the military, your taxes are my profit. I eat your taxes for breakfast. NOM NOM NOM

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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    What Obama is proposing right now atm is not increasing taxes, it is getting rid of a variety of tax credits and close up loopholes. Increasing taxes would imply that an actual number is added to base tax codes. The real reason the Republicans took the house has little to do with their values and more to do with the last bunch was a lot of indecisive fools. Now we have a bunch of decisive fools, and they have decided to play chicken with the economy along with Obama.

    Really the the main differences between Republicans and Democrats at this point is Democrats are willing to discuss cuts something they do not like at all. Republicans do not want to talk about raising revenues in anyway even if it were to only effect people that make bets on the economy such as hedge fund managers, people that literally contribute nothing to the actual products and services they bet on.
    I disagree here, the Republicans took the House because Tea Party candidates said they would do something about bloated government. Raising taxes (directly or indirectly) makes them look like promise breakers to their voters.
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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    According to Obama-Pelosi-Reid and just about every Democrat in Washington to the liberal commoners here at DP.......Republicans should just agree to Tax Increases.......and commit political suicide.

    Coming just a little over 8 months since Nov. 2,2010--The Largest Political Ass Whooping in History........if you were an elected Republican in Washington.....would you agree to raise taxes and commit political suicide?

    I don't know any Republican or Tea Party member that was elected to go to Washington for the purpose of helping The Kenyan Tyrant and Democrats continue their evil ways........

    ........they were elected to stop The Kenyan Tyrant and the Democrat's hair brain agenda.......they were elected to cut spending.......they were elected to stop an ever growing ever expanding Liberal Nanny State Government. Not one of them promised to go to Washington and Raise Taxes........and if they do.....chances are they wont be going back come 2012.
    Well, it really means what you mean by "tax increases."

    Do you mean lowering the tax rates with a simplified tax code but increase the tax base so more people are paying those taxes?

    Or do you mean by getting rid of targeted tax cuts to certain companies that benefit from the largesse of those Congressmen who receive campaign contributions from those companies when smaller businesses in other industries don't get the same consideration?

    Or do you mean by getting rid of tax code loopholes that are to the advantage of only the wealthiest of our nation?

    If so, then yes, Republicans should agree to those things that aren't actually tax cuts that will help generate more tax revenue to help pay off our debt and reduce our deficits.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    If they vote for tax increases, they will hurt any Republican running for office. They will also go back on their promises. The tax increases will also not solve the problem. We already have one party (and some libertarians, you know who you are) that support tax increases....we don't need another.
    Truer words were never spoken........

    ......although 100% of Democrats agree.........Republicans should just act like Democrats......compromise and commit their political harry carey.
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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I disagree here, the Republicans took the House because Tea Party candidates said they would do something about bloated government. Raising taxes (directly or indirectly) makes them look like promise breakers to their voters.
    You're right.

    But it was their fault for saying that the economy could be fixed only by cutting government spending. And I don't think it's right that these Congressmen should hold the American economy hostage because they made promises they can't keep.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I disagree here, the Republicans took the House because Tea Party candidates said they would do something about bloated government. Raising taxes (directly or indirectly) makes them look like promise breakers to their voters.
    precisely. I will send every dollar I can to every incumbent of worth I can find who runs against an (R) that votes for trillion dollar tax hikes as a way to "reduce government size and spending".

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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Well Canada and even Switzerland look more appealing everyday.........



    Welcome to Reality.........and why US Companies ship jobs overseas........and why no foreign Company ships jobs to the US........

    ....when every business has left these shores......the liberal utopia you expect isnt going to be the gumdrops and lollipops the Democrat Party promised.
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    And how many American companies actually pay that rate when you look at the loopholes, tax breaks, and credits? Not to mention you got your information from a libertarian think tank.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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