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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    Norquist is an idiot to support any and all tax loopholes. These tax breaks are often put in place to pressure certain behaviors. They increase the cost of compliance, which is money that is totally wasted, and are used to give certain companies a competitive advantage over others. Why would Republicans make this a deal breaking condition when we desperately need spending cuts?

    Norquist apparently does not understand that the cost of government is not represented by tax revenues. It is represented, primarily, by spending. The government has no magic wand and can not create REAL resources out of thin air. When it inflates it burdens anyone who is holding a dollar. When it borrows it burdens those that are seeking loans and investments. How it finances spending not reduce the burden. Spending is the cost of government, not taxes. A tax cut does not reduce the burden of government unless it is accompanied with spending cuts. It simply shifts the burden. Dubya cut taxes and increased the burden of government.

    Coburn is right on this one and I don't know what Norquist's game is, but limited government does not appear to be it. You could have a very low tax rate and the government could still be a considerable drag on the American people through incoherent red tape, unjust laws and inflationary policies.

    To be fair, some of the supposed "loopholes" that Dems are attacking are nothing of the kind and they are simply trying to single out a few companies for special tax treatment. Obama has been hesitant to close "loopholes" that would harm commodity traders because that is a big part of the economies of Chicago and Illinois.

    The only real reason Republicans should oppose closing tax loopholes is that tax reform is a very complicated issue. We need real spending cuts NOW. The Dems are only using the "loopholes" as a red herring. They KNOW the American people do not want higher taxes. The soak the rich well that they have relied on for years has dried up. But they can still scapegoat a few of the rich who may appear to be getting special treatment and use it as cover to punish their political opponents. The Dems can then blame the Republicans and call them uncompromising. Norquist is helping them.

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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    19 Different Polls Show That Americans Support Tax Increases To Cut Deficit

    "The Republican Party may be playing to their base with their hard line cuts ideology, but most Americans disagree. For all the talk among the pundit class, and the hope among Republicans that Obama will be blamed if there is no deal on the debt ceiling, the polling tells a different story.

    If the president offers a mix of tax increases and spending cuts and Republicans walk away from it, they will be blamed for trying to impose their radical and unrealistic agenda on the American people.

    Once again, the collective Republican ideological blind spot on taxation is pushing them out of the American mainstream."
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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    19 Different Polls Show That Americans Support Tax Increases To Cut Deficit

    "The Republican Party may be playing to their base with their hard line cuts ideology, but most Americans disagree. For all the talk among the pundit class, and the hope among Republicans that Obama will be blamed if there is no deal on the debt ceiling, the polling tells a different story.

    If the president offers a mix of tax increases and spending cuts and Republicans walk away from it, they will be blamed for trying to impose their radical and unrealistic agenda on the American people.

    Once again, the collective Republican ideological blind spot on taxation is pushing them out of the American mainstream."
    Well according to the most recent poll that matters.............that being Nov. 2,2010--The Largest Political Ass Whooping in history.....

    Republicans took Control of the House with 63 House Seats, 6 Senate seats, 10 Governorships, 680+ State legislative seats, and control of 19 more State legislatures..

    I do believe if the majority of Americans wanted tax increases.........they would of voted for more Tax Happy Liberals........rather than tossing them out on their asses....
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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    what do tax hikes have to do with cutting spending?

    dems act as if all the current spending is proper



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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Well according to the most recent poll that matters.............that being Nov. 2,2010--The Largest Political Ass Whooping in history.....

    Republicans took Control of the House with 63 House Seats, 6 Senate seats, 10 Governorships, 680+ State legislative seats, and control of 19 more State legislatures..

    I do believe if the majority of Americans wanted tax increases.........they would of voted for more Tax Happy Liberals........rather than tossing them out on their asses....
    I know it's pointless to reason with such ignorance, but all of the polls Catawba mentioned were taken in 2011. Of course' now you're going to say, "but they don't really matter, the only one that matters is the one I like." Imagine a whiny little kid saying that. That's you
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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Well according to the most recent poll that matters.............that being Nov. 2,2010--The Largest Political Ass Whooping in history.....

    Republicans took Control of the House with 63 House Seats, 6 Senate seats, 10 Governorships, 680+ State legislative seats, and control of 19 more State legislatures..

    I do believe if the majority of Americans wanted tax increases.........they would of voted for more Tax Happy Liberals........rather than tossing them out on their asses....
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    That poll is outdated now. That was before the American people got reacquainted with the GOP shell game where they promise jobs and a better economy and then only work for further tax cuts for the wealthiest and a radical religious agenda. All the polls now are showing a great majority of Americans understand that both spending and revenues have to be addressed to reduce the deficit..
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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what do tax hikes have to do with cutting spending?

    dems act as if all the current spending is proper
    The Democrats have offered to cut spending by $2 for every $1 of tax increases. They get what the majority of the country knows, that we can only address our debt by BOTH cutting spending and increasing revenues. Either one by itself won't be enough to address our huge debt.
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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Democrats have offered to cut spending by $2 for every $1 of tax increases.
    that is crap. they offered pretend cuts for actual tax increases. "not surging in Afghanistan for 10 years straight" is not "cutting spending"

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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that is crap. they offered pretend cuts for actual tax increases. "not surging in Afghanistan for 10 years straight" is not "cutting spending"
    Really!?!?!?!? That savings would mean something to me.
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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what do tax hikes have to do with cutting spending?

    dems act as if all the current spending is proper
    But the issue is not solely "cutting spending" and anyone who tells you that has already diverted from the rational path and is pursuing a purely partisan or ideological. There are two sided to a budget. Any basic accounting book or course tells us that.

    Both sides of the ledger must be dealt with. We need to both cut spending and increase revenues.
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