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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Thats an outline not a list.......no numbers whatsoever.......
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    Didn't know you had not read the news or were unable to use the Google. Here you go:

    President Obama

    http://www.fiscalcommission.gov/site...h12_1_2010.pdf



    ....when the Republicans dragged BJ kicking and screaming.........
    The Republicans dragged Clinton into increasing revenues by raising taxes. Afraid I will have to call Bull**** on that big honking untruth!
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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by CarlF View Post
    Not if you count intragovernmental debt. like them borrowing from social security.
    True, but we haven't even been as close as that since the Clinton Administration. That's why I liked Gore's idea of a lock box for SS funds, but the country voted for the guy they would like to have a beer with instead.

    Are you opposed to cutting $2 spending for every $1 dollar of tax increases?
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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Are you opposed to cutting $2 spending for every $1 dollar of tax increases?
    Undecided, lol. I support ending all deficit spending immediately, there's no reason we should be living beyond our means, but still need to learn more about how large the federal government should be and thus whether or not I would support any tax increases. I'm only 17.

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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    To me it is simple. Much of our budget is created by inefficiencies in a number of systems and having a massive industrial military complex. Currently, even in bad economic climate there is roughly $2.3 trillion in tax receipts a year but we still have $1.4 trillion deficit. This can be easily counteracted by scaling back military, and making everything else very efficient and bring the budget down to $2 trillion where it was at the beginning of the war in Afghanistan, meaning we could still have troops abroad in places where needed. This in turn gives us a 600 billion surplus a year. If you were to let Bush tax cuts phase out for the rich, a 900 billion surplus. If you were to let all Bush tax cuts phase out, 1.2 trillion surplus which is totally unheard of. In turn, the debt could be paid down in as little as 8 years, making us the only industrialized nation to do so, and still have lower taxes. After we have paid all our debts what do you do? You could easily raise the debt ceiling breaking even every single year with a budget of $3.2 trillion (roughly the 2009 budget approved by Bush), lower taxes to even LOWER than Bush tax cuts, or a combination of the two. All through that, we as a nation as a whole wills till have lower taxes than other industrialized nations.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by CarlF View Post
    Undecided, lol. I support ending all deficit spending immediately, there's no reason we should be living beyond our means, but still need to learn more about how large the federal government should be and thus whether or not I would support any tax increases. I'm only 17.
    Fortunately, the great majority of Americans have agreed that we need to both increase taxes and cut spending in order to reduce the deficit.
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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    To me it is simple. Much of our budget is created by inefficiencies in a number of systems and having a massive industrial military complex. Currently, even in bad economic climate there is roughly $2.3 trillion in tax receipts a year but we still have $1.4 trillion deficit. This can be easily counteracted by scaling back military, and making everything else very efficient and bring the budget down to $2 trillion where it was at the beginning of the war in Afghanistan, meaning we could still have troops abroad in places where needed. This in turn gives us a 600 billion surplus a year. If you were to let Bush tax cuts phase out for the rich, a 900 billion surplus. If you were to let all Bush tax cuts phase out, 1.2 trillion surplus which is totally unheard of. In turn, the debt could be paid down in as little as 8 years, making us the only industrialized nation to do so, and still have lower taxes. After we have paid all our debts what do you do? You could easily raise the debt ceiling breaking even every single year with a budget of $3.2 trillion (roughly the 2009 budget approved by Bush), lower taxes to even LOWER than Bush tax cuts, or a combination of the two. All through that, we as a nation as a whole wills till have lower taxes than other industrialized nations.
    interesting.


    so in this mythical reality there is no baby boomer generation? and tax rates directly effect tax revenue?


    In reality, unfortunately, Two Trillion will not even cover future Social Security and Medicare, much less any other government function. Furthermore, hiking the Bush Tax Rates won't get you more revenue. You could cut the entire DOD and it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference, except that the loss of world wide security would likely lead to an international economic collapse to make 2008 look like a dress rehearsal.

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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't see how it's "unlibertarian". We should have controlled the government better prior to this point; but we didn't. This is the natural course of unrestricted government. But there's no such thing as a free lunch and eventually we have to pay for our mistakes. There is going to need to be massive downsizing of government spending; but we may need additional taxes since we allowed government to operate in unrestricted mode for too long. It's called taking responsibility and it's not out of line with libertarian idealism.
    The problem is, you and I both know that they won't downsize. If you give Washington more money, they'll find more ways to spend it on things other than what it's intended for. The only solution is to stop giving them money.
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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
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    Didn't know you had not read the news or were unable to use the Google. Here you go:

    President Obama

    http://www.fiscalcommission.gov/site...h12_1_2010.pdf
    Yeah no numbers whatsoever......what a surprise......

    .....and you link the fiscal commission report from 2010.......well at least your trying.

    The Republicans dragged Clinton into increasing revenues by raising taxes. Afraid I will have to call Bull**** on that big honking untruth!
    .....and BJ reformed Welfare.....after vetoing it twice.
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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Yeah no numbers whatsoever......
    From the link I provided above ~ "$2 trillion reductions in domestic and security spending; $1 trillion from tax reform; and $1 trillion from lower interest payments on debt."

    That is what he is offering to be negotiated by Congress. The GOP at this point is saying they are not that interested in reducing the deficit if the taxes for the wealthiest Americans have to go up a few percentage points. The corner they have painted themselves into however is that the majority of voters think reducing the deficit is more important that the narrow GOP ideology of more tax breaks for the wealthy and special interests.





    .....and BJ reformed Welfare.....after vetoing it twice.
    Yep, just like Obama has reformed health care and proposed to do with medicare, SS, and military spending, our 3 biggest cost items. The GOP was opposed to the tax increase under Clinton as well, and we increased revenue and jobs, but they compromised with a little tax increase to get some spending cuts. That's how you reduce the deficit.
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    Re: Should Republicans agree to Tax Increases.....and commit political suicide?

    The GOP is in the position of really lousy parents who indulged a petulant snotty child allowing them to get obese and throw temper tantrums which were catered to by the doting parents. They now have a mini dinosaur with the temperament of a diva on their hands who is wrecking the house and making the whole family look bad to the rest of the neighborhood because they simply cannot control the brat.
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