View Poll Results: People who produce life contribute more to society than those who don't

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Thread: All Things Being Equal

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    All Things Being Equal

    "all other things being equal, those who have produced and raised children have given more value to society than those who have not."

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Children are a boon to our society. I only voted other because the value does not come from "producing life" but from raising good members of society.

    I am unable to become anyone's biological father, but I think that in raising my kids, I am doing far more than anybody does simply by ****ing.


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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    I voted true because mostly it is true. Saying that most people don't become productive members of society and many more actually are very successful is dishonest. You of course do have a small percentage that is going to be a dud but if you quit shooting off fireworks because one of them doesn't shoot off, or you see someone elses fireworks didn't fire off how are you going to really take chances at anything else in life?
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    "all other things being equal, those who have produced and raised children have given more value to society than those who have not."
    Children have to be raised in specific ways to be of value to society, and people without children can compensate for their lack with other achievements.
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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    "all other things being equal, those who have produced and raised children have given more value to society than those who have not."
    It depends on what kind of children are being raised.

    However, I think the premise of "all other things being equal" is fallacious to begin with. A person who doesn't spend time raising kids will have more time to contribute to society in other ways.
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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    what if the children you produce become mass-murderers?

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    In this crowded world, isn't the opposite true?

    OK, how about mother Teresa? Did she benefit society less than a construction worker with 3 kids?

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    "all other things being equal, those who have produced and raised children have given more value to society than those who have not."
    Maybe, maybe not. Depends how those children were raised, in what context, and how many of them there are.

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    what if the children you produce become mass-murderers?
    Why is it that liberal types focus on the worst parts directly first? What you should be asking yourself is, how can I make a difference in my child's life and how can they make a difference in someone's life in the future?
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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Why is it that liberal types focus on the worst parts directly first? What you should be asking yourself is, how can I make a difference in my child's life and how can they make a difference in someone's life in the future?
    you totally avoided the question.

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