View Poll Results: People who produce life contribute more to society than those who don't

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Thread: All Things Being Equal

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Think of the Duggars. What are the females of that bunch gonna bring to this world less other kids? Unless the children you brought into the world are doing something great or hell even working what good the hell are you other than a brood mare

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    There is plenty of procreation, though. Not every person on the planet needs to parent.
    a society needs a birthrate of 2.1 to replace itself before it's population starts to shrink and it is incapable of taking care of itself. no society has ever survived having a birthrate dip below 1.8.

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    I would say other

    If for some reason the worlds human population was decreasing and was under threat of dieing out, then, yes those having offspring would contribute more to society. But as the world is not decreasing in population, and the human race is not under threat of dieing out from a lack of new humans being created, those that have offspring are not contributing any more to society then those that dont.

    Now in societies with publically funded education, it could be argued that those without childern are contributing more as they are paying for the education of childern not their own
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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    All other things are never equal.
    that generally is corret - the phrasing is really just a way of saying "child rearing is of worth to society"

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Again, I reference the "chicken v egg" argument.
    I'm really not sure how the chicken and the egg argument relates.

    I'm just talking about the quality of the egg. The chickens are presumed to be of equal quality in the OP.

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    That's true. The person who said the original quote is CPWill.
    Ahhhhh....CPWILL, huh? Otay...welp. Gosh, that's my cue to jump back and watch then.

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that is true, but the vast majority of people do that and hence the statement stands. you are attempting to judge by the outliers, and the outliers in only one direction.
    The statement doesn't stand because they don't have "intrinsic" value. You can't claim someone's value is intrinsic if it isn't intrinsic. The more believable claim would be that most people have value, but "instrinsic" does not work because value is neither natural nor essential for a person to have.

    That said, I wouldn't argue that the "vast majority" of people contributing to society is a good argument for people producing life being more valuable because far more people than mere "outliers" spend their lives taking away from society - there are millions of people in the world who take a lot away from society in tangible ways like stealing or terrorism and in less tangible ways like having a negative impact on every person they meet and decreasing others' productivity.

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    i'm sure she's wonderful. explain to me again how that alters the math?
    There's no math. Your opinion is your own, and by a rate of about 3-1, your opinion is in the minority.

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    There's no math. Your opinion is your own, and by a rate of about 3-1, your opinion is in the minority.
    I have yet to see him present any "math" on the subject, apart from some completely randomly derived numbers about the theoretical income of a non-existent woman with vs. without kids combined with the possible income of her children.

    Those numbers, nearest I can tell, not only have no basis in any sort of fact or research, but surmise that the only worth of a person is income. Well, I guess teachers aren't very useful then, since they make sweet ****-all these days...
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