View Poll Results: People who produce life contribute more to society than those who don't

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Thread: All Things Being Equal

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    On the other side of the coin, John Wayne Gacy's parents could have chosen to refrain from having children, which would have benefited society.
    I fully admit that procreation begets evil, but you can't have good without it, either. All the good, childless people wouldn't exist if two people didn't humpty-hump.
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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    "all other things being equal, those who have produced and raised children have given more value to society than those who have not."
    are these children the breeders can pay for and raise properly? or are their spawn going to be wards of the state and used to justify increased taxes on others?



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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I fully admit that procreation begets evil, but you can't have good without it, either. All the good, childless people wouldn't exist if two people didn't humpty-hump.
    True, but the main point I was making is that there are no guarantees that the kid is going to be a benefit to society, even if the parents are spectacular, the kid could have a screw loose or have a horrible encounter with a stranger or a priest or something that sends them off the deep end.

    We cannot assume that "People who produce life contribute more to society than those who don't" until we know the quality of the life that is produced by them.

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    True, but the main point I was making is that there are no guarantees that the kid is going to be a benefit to society, even if the parents are spectacular, the kid could have a screw loose or have a horrible encounter with a stranger or a priest or something that sends them off the deep end.

    We cannot assume that "People who produce life contribute more to society than those who don't" until we know the quality of the life that is produced by them.
    Again, I reference the "chicken v egg" argument.
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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    "all other things being equal, those who have produced and raised children have given more value to society than those who have not."
    Is your opinion based on global populations or just this country? I wouldn't even know where to start to find reliable stats that might offer concise data related to your comment. Have you gathered any?

    With the heat on in Washington about the Debt Ceiling, Spending, and Taxing...I'd say there are a whole bunch of Republicans who might disagree with you because they see about 75 percent of the nation's population as parasites on the public system.

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Is your opinion based on global populations or just this country? I wouldn't even know where to start to find reliable stats that might offer concise data related to your comment. Have you gathered any?

    With the heat on in Washington about the Debt Ceiling, Spending, and Taxing...I'd say there are a whole bunch of Republicans who might disagree with you because they see about 75 percent of the nation's population as parasites on the public system.
    That's true. The person who said the original quote is CPWill.

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    You assume all will go well with your child, forever and always. Such things cannot be assumed.
    not at all, I am assuming a mean experience for mean children; that people's lives are roughly lived on a bell curve, with a small number of super performers, a small number of severely problematic performers, and a vast majority in the middle.

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    They don't have intrinsic value because they could easily spend their entire lives taking away from society.
    that is true, but the vast majority of people do that and hence the statement stands. you are attempting to judge by the outliers, and the outliers in only one direction.

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    I have many, and when I say many I mean MANY friends who are childfree. My best friend being my prime example. She is an AMAZING woman, rendered no less amazing by the fact that she never gave birth.
    i'm sure she's wonderful. explain to me again how that alters the math?

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    False. More people does not automatically equal more value.
    this is incorrect, especially in a society where the young provide for the care of the old, such as ours.

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