View Poll Results: People who produce life contribute more to society than those who don't

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Thread: All Things Being Equal

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    All other things are never equal.

    In addition, since we by no means are in need of population expansion, we would truly be better served by many people (especially those with weaker genetics) choosing* not to have children. Remember Idiocracy? That was the result of people having lots of kids and not doing so much else. Reproduction is not inherently valuable in a society with a stable population.

    *Choosing, meaning I am not advocating eugenics.
    I agree with this. It really depends on who is having the kids. A crack head with four kids doesn't add any value to society that I can think of since it is very likely that her kids will also have drug problems; although I have seen exceptions to that. The problem with the OP is as you said, all things are not equal.
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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    False of course

    because the life produced may be the non-contributing kind
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    the person not producing life may be making other lives the contributing kind ie teacher or foster parent etc.
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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Absolutely false. The entire premise that directly ties procreation with one's ability to contribute to society with more value than someone who achieves the same amount of "success" without procreation is a logically flawed. All things can never be "equal", because no two individuals are the same. It's ludicrous to believe that people who are crappy parents raising children of dubious character are of more value to society than people who are childless simply by virtue of raising the earth's population. I honestly can't wrap my mind around this school of thought.

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    "People who produce life contribute more to society than those who don't"

    This is complete BS. Please tell me how you contribute more to society by having children than by others who choose not to raise kids? It's complete BS because it truly depends on what those children do and if what they do contributes to society. Just because your children exist does not mean that you have contributed to society.


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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    what if the children you produce become mass-murderers?
    what if they cure cancer or solve world hunger?


    outliers do not a solid statistical argument make. the question here is pretty obviously centered around the mean.

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    "People who produce life contribute more to society than those who don't"

    This is complete BS. Please tell me how you contribute more to society by having children than by others who choose not to raise kids? It's complete BS because it truly depends on what those children do and if what they do contributes to society. Just because your children exist does not mean that you have contributed to society.


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    awesome! so you will not be accepting the retirement entitlements that my childrens' FICA tax will be paying for, then?



    children are simply younger workers, voters, citizens, and taxpayers. to say that they have no intrinsic worth to society is to say that workers, voters, citizens, and taxpayers have no intrinsic worth to society.
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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    awesome! so you will not be accepting the retirement entitlements that my childrens' FICA tax will be paying for, then?



    children are simply younger workers, voters, citizens, and taxpayers. to say that they have no intrinsic worth to society is to say that workers, voters, citizens, and taxpayers have no intrinsic worth to society.
    You assume all will go well with your child, forever and always. Such things cannot be assumed.

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    awesome! so you will not be accepting the retirement entitlements that my childrens' FICA tax will be paying for, then?

    children are simply younger workers, voters, citizens, and taxpayers. to say that they have no intrinsic worth to society is to say that workers, voters, citizens, and taxpayers have no intrinsic worth to society.
    They don't have intrinsic value because they could easily spend their entire lives taking away from society.

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    This is kind of "chicken or the egg" argument. You can't benefit society unless somebody births you. Mother Theresa's parents could have decided against children and the good never would have been done by her.
    On the other side of the coin, John Wayne Gacy's parents could have chosen to refrain from having children, which would have benefited society.

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