View Poll Results: People who produce life contribute more to society than those who don't

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Thread: All Things Being Equal

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you totally avoided the question.
    Anyone has the capacity to be a murderer I guess? That is why you raise your child with love, care, and instill good values in them. From there your child could be the next Bill Gates or they could be the next Charles Manson. However, in most peoples cases and statistically speaking, it is far more likely you will create a person that becomes a productive part of society rather than not.
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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    The saying... Any man can be a father, it takes a special man to be a Dad.... comes to mind. Anyone can produce children (as long as they are physically able to do so) ... raising them is a totally different thing. I dont think you have to have children to better society. In fact there are some out there who I would say are doing society a severe dis-service by the children they are raising. I also think that there are those who have no children but produce for society in other ways that are just as important.

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Anyone has the capacity to be a murderer I guess? That is why you raise your child with love, care, and instill good values in them. From there your child could be the next Bill Gates or they could be the next Charles Manson. However, in most peoples cases and statistically speaking, it is far more likely you will create a person that becomes a productive part of society rather than not.
    I regret to inform you (again, probably) it's not so simple. There are too many parents out there who treated all their children equally and well, and one turned out to be a psychopath or some other form of unique and unusual.

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    "all other things being equal, those who have produced and raised children have given more value to society than those who have not."
    Not true.

    Have you met all the ****ty parents who create and raise ****ty kids.
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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    I voted false because if all things are equal in a negative way (i.e. take two people that are both criminals who would raise their children to be criminals) the one who does not procreate (for whatever reason) actually helps society more by not having children than the one who would have children to raise them as criminals.

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    "all other things being equal, those who have produced and raised children have given more value to society than those who have not."
    I don't see a society as more valuable if it has 3 hundred million and one people rather than 3 hundred million.
    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh that is so small as to be stupid. Do you want registration? given less than 3% of criminals get their guns from private sales, its pretty much a waste of resources
    **Thirty Minutes Later**
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    you are confused. I never denied that many criminals get guns in private sales.

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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    All other things are never equal.

    In addition, since we by no means are in need of population expansion, we would truly be better served by many people (especially those with weaker genetics) choosing* not to have children. Remember Idiocracy? That was the result of people having lots of kids and not doing so much else. Reproduction is not inherently valuable in a society with a stable population.

    *Choosing, meaning I am not advocating eugenics.
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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    "all other things being equal, those who have produced and raised children have given more value to society than those who have not."
    It entirely depends on what kind of people those children become. Many will be an asset to society, but the number of people who turn out to be a liability is too great for the OP statement to be anything but false.
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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    This is kind of "chicken or the egg" argument. You can't benefit society unless somebody births you. Mother Theresa's parents could have decided against children and the good never would have been done by her.
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    Re: All Things Being Equal

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Not true.

    Have you met all the ****ty parents who create and raise ****ty kids.
    Ask CPWill and John Wollin. I'm in disagreement. Of course.

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