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    Re: Should AT&T and T-Mobile be allowed to merge?

    That was at&t's problem to begin with.... They were too big and controlled too much of the market. After they were forced to stop being the monopoly that they were, choices got much better. I dont know if they should be allowed to merge or not, but seems to me that they are just getting closer and closer to doing the same thing that got them in trouble to begin with!

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    Re: Should AT&T and T-Mobile be allowed to merge?

    Quote Originally Posted by BamaBrat View Post
    That was at&t's problem to begin with.... They were too big and controlled too much of the market. After they were forced to stop being the monopoly that they were, choices got much better. I dont know if they should be allowed to merge or not, but seems to me that they are just getting closer and closer to doing the same thing that got them in trouble to begin with!
    They really didn't. What happened is a bunch of small bells popped up that didn't have what it took to stay alive in the market so they sold themselves back to AT&T. The only bell to survive that was a result of the split was Verzion and they just bought the pieces that AT&T didn't buy. In the end the driven came out on top and the clueless got left behind, like always in these things. The split cost AT&T billions of dollars and violated their rights, and all you got out it personally was one more piece. Was it really worth it? The problem that existed in those days isn't even what is going on now, and new technology is always popping in the field that leaves the door open to competitors.

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    Re: Should AT&T and T-Mobile be allowed to merge?

    All I know is the only choice I had at one point in home phone product...was at&t. I was never so glad to see other companies become available to me. I wont ever have at&t again...for anything. Thank goodness for cell phones!

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    Re: Should AT&T and T-Mobile be allowed to merge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I don't understand why (some) conservatives/libertarians support huge business agglomerations in industries that already aren't very competitive. It's almost as though for some people, a lack of government intervention is an end itself, instead of a means to an end (i.e. a more competitive marketplace). Capitalism should be about competition, not about a total lack of any government intervention whatsoever. Anti-monopoly laws are absolutely necessary because capitalism simply doesn't work very well if you don't have a competitive marketplace. And the US telecom industry is atrociously uncompetitive, thanks to the fact that four carriers essentially dominate the landscape.
    I don't get their stance either. It is as if they are saying "the free market is great" and then promptly forget what a free market is. Here is a clue, conservatives: a free market does not exist where monopoly or oligopoly exists.
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    Re: Should AT&T and T-Mobile be allowed to merge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I don't get their stance either. It is as if they are saying "the free market is great" and then promptly forget what a free market is. Here is a clue, conservatives: a free market does not exist where monopoly or oligopoly exists.
    Perhaps they feel there is already plenty of competition within the marketplace, and if AT&T and T-Mobile think it is in their best interests to go forth with the deal they should? There are typically at least 4 providers of wireless in a community, we have vi-op, lots of people have cable and satellite TV/phone or even use the internet, and also local and long distance telephone. Plus there is industry specific competition, one example would be Verizon and AT&T competing for the iPhone. Contrary to what you believe, technology has made the telecom industry very competitive.
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    Re: Should AT&T and T-Mobile be allowed to merge?

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    Perhaps they feel there is already plenty of competition within the marketplace, and if AT&T and T-Mobile think it is in their best interests to go forth with the deal they should? There are typically at least 4 providers of wireless in a community, we have vi-op, lots of people have cable and satellite TV/phone or even use the internet, and also local and long distance telephone. Plus there is industry specific competition, one example would be Verizon and AT&T competing for the iPhone. Contrary to what you believe, technology has made the telecom industry very competitive.
    We disagree on how competitive 4 players are in a market system. But, that aside, I don't think any merger should be allowed unless it can be shown that it has an inherent, clear advantage for consumers and workers. We presumably have this capitalistic free market system in place to increase the well being of society, not the well being of stockholders.
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    Re: Should AT&T and T-Mobile be allowed to merge?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    We disagree on how competitive 4 players are in a market system. But, that aside, I don't think any merger should be allowed unless it can be shown that it has an inherent, clear advantage for consumers and workers. We presumably have this capitalistic free market system in place to increase the well being of society, not the well being of stockholders.
    The telecom industry has large fixed costs. Communications company's spend roughly 15% of their revenue on capital improvements every year. They have to do this to keep their coverage, capacity, speeds, etc competitive. It makes sense that large companies tend to dominate, since big companies like AT&T and Verizon have cost advantages over small companies in this industry. The mobile market in the US has become very mature and has led to decreasing prices and many subscribers changing providers every year. Broadband and data services have been growing rapidly. Think about it, What are we on now, 4G? How many commercials do you see for wireless providers on TV compared to other industries? There are numerous substitutes and rapidly changing technology in the market forcing these companies to stay competitive.

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    Re: Should AT&T and T-Mobile be allowed to merge?

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    The telecom industry has large fixed costs. Communications company's spend roughly 15% of their revenue on capital improvements every year. They have to do this to keep their coverage, capacity, speeds, etc competitive. It makes sense that large companies tend to dominate, since big companies like AT&T and Verizon have cost advantages over small companies in this industry. The mobile market in the US has become very mature and has led to decreasing prices and many subscribers changing providers every year. Broadband and data services have been growing rapidly. Think about it, What are we on now, 4G? How many commercials do you see for wireless providers on TV compared to other industries? There are numerous substitutes and rapidly changing technology in the market forcing these companies to stay competitive.
    I am not sure about the US market, but in Europe there is regulation that states that major communications companies can rent out space on their networks to competition and this has resulted far easier access into the market for competition. Orange in Spain for example rents out its network to low price competitors and it is very successful at that. This means we have 6+ providers that cover the whole country. This has driven prices down considerably... I pay 5 euro cent plus tax a minute with no monthly contract.
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    Re: Should AT&T and T-Mobile be allowed to merge?

    Frankly I just don't know. We've had lots of mergers in the past. I don't care much for the plans the way they are now. I have four phones and pay about $200/month. One phone is on a data plan. I know Cox Communications has recently gotten into the wireless phone business.
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    Re: Should AT&T and T-Mobile be allowed to merge?

    There is no legal reason that they shouldn't merge. So, we should have no say in whether they do or not. Personally I hope they don't, because I love the way T-Mobile is now and I really hate AT&T.
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