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political orientation and emotional needs

In general, do you think people choose their political orientation based on emotional


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In general, do you think people choose their political orientation based on emotional needs?
 
I think that a decent amount of today's society choose based on how they were raised, where they were raised, and their parents political and personal beliefs. But there are soo many other reasons that people choose what they do.
 
I think it helps along many of our beliefs and that is not entirely shameful. In fact, in many ways it is as it should be. That said, we should not be slaves to our emotions.
 
I would say that there is a powerful element of it in there; though I think it is more strongly indicative of lefter-leaning, with the heavy emphasis on the won't somebody think of the chilllldrun motif.
 
I think many people want to ignore the scientific side of economics that would detail more pain than they desire so they endorse economic models and the political philosophies that endorse those models that only focus on aspirations.
 
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I would say that there is a powerful element of it in there; though I think it is more strongly indicative of lefter-leaning, with the heavy emphasis on the won't somebody think of the chilllldrun motif.

Yeah that is some of it, but the political right does it as well, it is just with their perspective of issues. The moral life, the one that upholds the traditions of our society (not just because it works, but because it is good)-these are some of the things the political right can rely upon for the establishment of a political identity that is both just and true.
 
Yeah that is some of it, but the political right does it as well, it is just with their perspective of issues. The moral life, the one that upholds the traditions of our society (not just because it works, but because it is good)-these are some of the things the political right can rely upon for the establishment of a political identity that is both just and true.

Fiddy has it right. While Cpwill immediately assumed that emotional needs implied a crippled mind, the fact is that the need is as good as its adaption to the situation. A need to feel in control of a situation, expressed through gun ownership is very good in the context of having your house robbed, for example.
 
I would say that there is a powerful element of it in there; though I think it is more strongly indicative of lefter-leaning, with the heavy emphasis on the won't somebody think of the chilllldrun motif.

The left isn't alone in having emotion be a part of the ideology. A lot of right-wing beliefs are based upon populist anger (for instance, attitudes towards illegal immigrants, Muslims, other xenophobic attitudes in general) and what Fiddy mentioned about traditional lifestyles.
 
I would say it's a mix of logic and emotion.

I still think people aren't concerned with the actual working of reality and aren't taking the effort to actual deal in that realm. Thinking that people are merely a clay they shape whichever way they choose even if history and the science behind it says something clearly different. Even still they continue to walk in ignorance towards whatever their heart tells them, like a child and a candy bar. Except this candy bar has been proven to be poison over and over again and was known to be poison even before anyone took a bit by the people that actually studied the chocolate on the candy bar for generations.

From what I seen the logic you speak of is based only the emotion of the argument and not the actual science of what the chocolate on the candy bar is made up of.
 
I think your lean depends on how much of a dick you are. You can make your own assumption of what a super asshole would be, and what a nice guy would be. That is not for me to put in your mind.
 
In general, do you think people choose their political orientation based on emotional needs?

I would have to say that people choose their political orientation based on what they believe in.
 
I think your lean depends on how much of a dick you are. You can make your own assumption of what a super asshole would be, and what a nice guy would be. That is not for me to put in your mind.

Being real for moment you would realize that being a asshole doesn't detail dealing with realities of the science. Its basically the people that ignore the science and pretend they can do whatever they please to push their will. Be it religious fools or statists, they both have the same basic problem at its root level. They twist their logic around their emotion until they there is no start or finish to it and even they themselves are confused as to which is which.
 
I would have to say that people choose their political orientation based on what they believe in.

Indeed. We lean politically based on our values. Of course, our values are based very strongly on our emotions.
 
Indeed. We lean politically based on our values. Of course, our values are based very strongly on our emotions.

Yes, I skipped that step in making my OP, but that was the direction I was coming from.
 
Being real for moment you would realize that being a asshole doesn't detail dealing with realities of the science. Its basically the people that ignore the science and pretend they can do whatever they please to push their will. Be it religious fools or statists, they both have the same basic problem at its root level. They twist their logic around their emotion until they there is no start or finish to it and even they themselves are confused as to which is which.

Look like I said, it is not for me to tell you, that is just how I think. ANYMORE what your lean is about is how much of an ignorant dick you are (or not) and how much money you have (or don't have).
 
I find it interesting and a little funny that Henrin so strongly believes that science has such a monolithic voice on the subject of human nature and behavior or that these subjects are even a part way figured out or understood, especially now that we can make use of new information from subjects like genetics, neuroimagery, etc.

But besides the point, my hope is that this thread doesn't devolve into silly partisan bickering, such as several posters has already attempted to do. I am hearing some interesting answers and points of view so far.
 
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I find it interesting and a little funny that Henrin so strongly believes that science has such a monolithic voice on the subject of human nature and behavior.

Allow me to add one bit to my posts. What has been learned through history is that emotion will win over logic any day and if you really want the people to follow you dig into their emotions and ignore the logic that will guide the result.
 
Allow me to add one bit to my posts. What has been learned through history is that emotion will win over logic any day and if you really want the people to follow you dig into their emotions and ignore the logic that will guide the result.

Is that why you are trying to frame your argument in the manner in which you are doing so?
 
Is that why you are trying to frame your argument in the manner in which you are doing so?

"if only the damn fools would listen to reason, we wouldn't be in this mess."
 
I still think people aren't concerned with the actual working of reality and aren't taking the effort to actual deal in that realm. Thinking that people are merely a clay they shape whichever way they choose even if history and the science behind it says something clearly different. Even still they continue to walk in ignorance towards whatever their heart tells them, like a child and a candy bar. Except this candy bar has been proven to be poison over and over again and was known to be poison even before anyone took a bit by the people that actually studied the chocolate on the candy bar for generations.

From what I seen the logic you speak of is based only the emotion of the argument and not the actual science of what the chocolate on the candy bar is made up of.

Being real for moment you would realize that being a asshole doesn't detail dealing with realities of the science. Its basically the people that ignore the science and pretend they can do whatever they please to push their will. Be it religious fools or statists, they both have the same basic problem at its root level. They twist their logic around their emotion until they there is no start or finish to it and even they themselves are confused as to which is which.

Allow me to add one bit to my posts. What has been learned through history is that emotion will win over logic any day and if you really want the people to follow you dig into their emotions and ignore the logic that will guide the result.

I pointed out the appeals to emotion for you. You could have easily conveyed the same message without the inflammatory language and appeals to the superiority and inferiority without basis other than "science" (nothing specific, just "science" or "history").
 
A small percentage of people, I’m one, work on removing emotion and beliefs from their thinking to better enable them to do their job. It becomes a habit in problem solving. This can be dangerous in personal relationships. In the workplace it can be a problem too. Coworkers that are normally belief and emotion driven have a hard time with people that change their mind based on new information, e.g. form test results of a prototype. If the new products architecture or design doesn’t work the architects and design engineers have to change their minds if they are going to have something that works. (I’ve seen emotion and belief result in the shipping of a product that doesn’t work. The scapegoating etc. that follow are awful.) I’m not saying that I don’t have any beliefs, I’m just left with the basic ones, and they don’t align me left or right politically. What also may seem unusual about my drivers is that both my parents were artists, made their living at it. You’d think that artists are belief driven, but some aren’t.
 
Fiddy has it right. While Cpwill immediately assumed that emotional needs implied a crippled mind, the fact is that the need is as good as its adaption to the situation. A need to feel in control of a situation, expressed through gun ownership is very good in the context of having your house robbed, for example.

for your house yes. g0od governance, however, requires you being just as upset about your neighbors. and I don't think I was suggesting a crippled mind - but one that gave greater weight to immediate emotional pull. that's why women (who tend to be more emotionally guided) vote democrat while men vote Republican.
 
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