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Do you think Obama will be reelected in 2012

Do you think Obama will be reelected

  • Yes, in a landslide

    Votes: 33 61.1%
  • No, he's going to lose in a landslide.

    Votes: 21 38.9%

  • Total voters
    54
Actually a far larger case could be made that Palin kept the 2008 election from being a landslide instead of just a solid loss. In the wake of her announcement McCain had his first rise above Obama in the polls in month, helped make the RNC far more helpful to their ticket than the DNC was to Obama's, significantly increased cash donations into the campaign, invigorated an apathetic base that may not have turned out in decent numbers, and generally did not begin to truly get the staggeringly bad numbers with "independents" close to teh end and after the election at a time when McCain was also polling poorly with independents and Obama had been polling AMAZINGLY well with them from the start.

McCain and his horrible campaign strategy hurt the GOP in 2008, not Palin.

Besides that, I think McCain would have had a fighting chance if he had not muzzled Palin from tearing into Obama during the election because he didn't want to come out looking like a racist. If she were to get the nomination, she wouldn't have McCain holding her back this time.
 
No, trust me, we want Bachmann to win the GOP Primary.

I remember the Dems acting like they were afraid of McCain too while secretly hoping he would get the nomination.
 
I voted for McCain in 2008. Whether I vote for Obama, the GOP candidate, or a third party/not at all depends on who the GOP nominates.

It seems to me that the GOP favorites, atm, are mostly far right social conservatives who would try to enact laws that I would view as a violation of freedom, no matter what they want to do with the economy. There is no guarantee that whatever their plans for the economy are, that they will work. And some of them have plans that sound very likely to screw over a lot of people, especially poor and lower-middle class people, such as eliminating minimum wage. Which, btw, is likely to cause a much higher job demand, although it would probably lower unemployment. So it would look good on paper but not likely improve the situation of most people.

I can't stand Obama. I think he is a bad president (based on my views on immigration, health care, government spending (specifically where the money is spent and where to make reductions) and his actions in these areas). However, I don't think there are a lot of GOP candidates that would actually do what I want done either or improve the situation quickly. But there are a lot of GOP candidates who have openly announced their intentions to make things worse (at least concerning certain social issues) than Obama has done on these other issues.

I would vote for Obama if it meant keeping Michelle Bachman out of office. That woman scares the crap out of me. Most of the other potential candidates would probably just cause me to either vote for a third party or not vote at all. I'm not sure there is a GOP candidate right now that I would actually vote for. It would probably depend on what I see from them in the next year+ and what happens in that time.
 
I had to vote "Yes", but I don't think it will be a landslide by any means. I think it will be much closer than it was in 2008 - that is, if the Republicans offer up someone reasonable.

Ad Roguenuke said above: if it's Bachmann, I can see some Republicans holding their noses and voting for Obama - as much as the thought might make them shudder.

The true question is what happens with the debt ceiling. If Republicans prevent this from getting passed and economy tanks as a result, they will have a hard time keeping their majorities. If something gets passed, then we'll probably still have split government, with a smaller Republican majority in the House and a close-to-split Senate.

I withhold the right to change all predictions based on what happens with the debt ceiling debate, though. This is starting to scare the crap out of me.
 
The true question is what happens with the debt ceiling. If Republicans prevent this from getting passed and economy tanks as a result, they will have a hard time keeping their majorities. If something gets passed, then we'll probably still have split government, with a smaller Republican majority in the House and a close-to-split Senate.
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I think if the Republicans hold up the debt ceiling the party will become a mere blip on the radar screen.
 
Actually a far larger case could be made that Palin kept the 2008 election from being a landslide instead of just a solid loss. In the wake of her announcement McCain had his first rise above Obama in the polls in month, helped make the RNC far more helpful to their ticket than the DNC was to Obama's, significantly increased cash donations into the campaign, invigorated an apathetic base that may not have turned out in decent numbers, and generally did not begin to truly get the staggeringly bad numbers with "independents" close to teh end and after the election at a time when McCain was also polling poorly with independents and Obama had been polling AMAZINGLY well with them from the start.

McCain and his horrible campaign strategy hurt the GOP in 2008, not Palin.

At first Palin was a god-send! I was PUMPED when she was chosen and I was going to vote for McCain and not write in Ron Paul. Then Palin started to speak not using a teleprompter. SHe made an ass out of herself and deep-sixed the whole campaign. :( Even my still to this day, ultra hardcore conservative friend said that she turned out to be bad for the Party. Then he blamed the liberal media. :)
 
I remember the Dems acting like they were afraid of McCain too while secretly hoping he would get the nomination.

The Dem line in 2000 was "Wow. McCain would not be a bad president. You guys should nominate him. I might even vote for him and I'm a lifelong Dem!" When we nominated Bush they said the party was done.
 
Gallup has him down to 44% approval thru 7/12. (That was before his triumphant exit.)

Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval

I know things will bounce up and down till Nov '12 but this is heartening for a conservative! Maybe there are enough reality sandwiches out there still to be eaten to get the job done.

Rasmussen, often dismissed by Obamites, has him still at 48%. Not enough.

Obama Approval Index History - Rasmussen Reports™
 
Gallup has him down to 44% approval thru 7/12. (That was before his triumphant exit.)

Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval

I know things will bounce up and down till Nov '12 but this is heartening for a conservative! Maybe there are enough reality sandwiches out there still to be eaten to get the job done.

Rasmussen, often dismissed by Obamites, has him still at 48%. Not enough.

Obama Approval Index History - Rasmussen Reports™

Unless none of the other candidates have a higher approval rating! :sun
 
Unless none of the other candidates have a higher approval rating! :sun

44% approval probably won't get you re-elected in any race, Sunflower.

I know a lot will change between now and then. Forgive me for getting optimistic.
 
44% approval probably won't get you re-elected in any race, Sunflower.

I know a lot will change between now and then. Forgive me for getting optimistic.


It will if all of your opponents have a 20% approval rating, Cupcake. :sun
 
If Obama will be reelected than America will be transformed to a third world country.
 
If Obama will be reelected than America will be transformed to a third world country.

I, too, am unpatriotic and do not believe in American exceptionalism.
 
This sums up the situation very well ~

Where are the Republicans who can beat Obama in 2012?

"With a cast of has-beens, nobodies and deadbeats to choose from, no wonder many Republicans are depressed about 2012.

GOP presidential contest begins to warm up," the Los Angeles Times declared. That was on 7 March. In the weeks since then, can you feel the excitement? No, me neither.

In fact the most dramatic thing to happen during the nomination contest to date is Barack Obama's announcement that he's running for re-election. And he faces no primary opposition.

Compared with the same stage in 2007, when the presidential primary season was running at full steam, 2011 is a flat tire. But it's not just the lack of activity – the Republican candidates being touted are a collection of has-beens, nobodies and deadbeats, several of them barely household names in their own households. And those are the most electable ones.

Which is strange because the Republican party has just enjoyed an election triumph in the 2010 midterm elections that would suggest a party surging towards the 2012 contest. Instead, it's more like the Simpsons parody of the football world cup finals: "This match will determine once and for all which nation is the greatest on earth – Mexico or Portugal!"

So far, the 2012 primaries will determine once and for all who is the greatest Republican presidential candidate: Tim Pawlenty or Mitch Daniels?

Mitch who? Exactly. This Republican crop of candidates is a veritable "Who's that?" of American politics.

Despite all that, talking to intelligent Republicans finds them brimming with enthusiasm for their party's candidates. It's a fantastic field, they insist – for 2016. Yes, they are very excited about the 2016 presidential elections, and reel off a list of top-notch candidates: Marco Rubio, Rick Perry, Scott Walker, David Petraeus, Chris Christie, even Jeb Bush."
 
Scott Walker :lamo

Dude's on track to become one of the nation's most unpopular governors if he isn't already
 
This sums up the situation very well ~

Where are the Republicans who can beat Obama in 2012?

"With a cast of has-beens, nobodies and deadbeats to choose from, no wonder many Republicans are depressed about 2012.

GOP presidential contest begins to warm up," the Los Angeles Times declared. That was on 7 March. In the weeks since then, can you feel the excitement? No, me neither.

In fact the most dramatic thing to happen during the nomination contest to date is Barack Obama's announcement that he's running for re-election. And he faces no primary opposition.

Compared with the same stage in 2007, when the presidential primary season was running at full steam, 2011 is a flat tire. But it's not just the lack of activity – the Republican candidates being touted are a collection of has-beens, nobodies and deadbeats, several of them barely household names in their own households. And those are the most electable ones.

Which is strange because the Republican party has just enjoyed an election triumph in the 2010 midterm elections that would suggest a party surging towards the 2012 contest. Instead, it's more like the Simpsons parody of the football world cup finals: "This match will determine once and for all which nation is the greatest on earth – Mexico or Portugal!"

So far, the 2012 primaries will determine once and for all who is the greatest Republican presidential candidate: Tim Pawlenty or Mitch Daniels?

Mitch who? Exactly. This Republican crop of candidates is a veritable "Who's that?" of American politics.

Despite all that, talking to intelligent Republicans finds them brimming with enthusiasm for their party's candidates. It's a fantastic field, they insist – for 2016. Yes, they are very excited about the 2016 presidential elections, and reel off a list of top-notch candidates: Marco Rubio, Rick Perry, Scott Walker, David Petraeus, Chris Christie, even Jeb Bush."

Nice that he found "intelligent Republicans" to talk to. From the same writer, more recently:

Rick Perry will enter the Republican presidential contest and he will win the party's nomination. A bold prediction? Not really, not when you consider the noises coming out of Texas and the ungainly sight of the other candidates.

When he does, Democrats will probably make the mistake of thinking that hanging a "George W Bush 2" label around the Texas governor's neck will sink him. Maybe it won't help Perry win the presidency in 2012 but it's hardly a bar to winning the Republican nomination.

Beware Rick Perry, the Republican party's real deal | Richard Adams | World news | guardian.co.uk
 
A male Michelle Bachmann to run against Obama? I'm game! One radical religious GOP candidate works as well as any other for me. :sun

So Obama is neither radical nor religious in your view?

I hope Perry does enter, but I would really prefer Michele. (And do note the single L, please. I mean if you're gonna fixate on her, the gentlemanly thing would be to learn to spell her name correctly.)

That same writer, I think, noted that Perry might displace Michele as Romney's closest rival. I'm not sure that Perry wouldn't replace Romney as Michele's rival.
 
So Obama is neither radical nor religious in your view?

Not even in the least, I was disappointed we didn't have liberal candidate to run against McCain. If we would have elected a liberal, we wouldn't still have troops in Afghanistan and Iraq and we wouldn't still have the Bush tax cuts still in place.

I hope Perry does enter, but I would really prefer Michele.

Perry or Bachmann, makes no difference to me. Both of these religious zealots will turn off the independents who decide the elections. :sun
 
Not even in the least, I was disappointed we didn't have liberal candidate to run against McCain. If we would have elected a liberal, we wouldn't still have troops in Afghanistan and Iraq and we wouldn't still have the Bush tax cuts still in place.



Perry or Bachmann, makes no difference to me. Both of these religious zealots will turn off the independents who decide the elections. :sun

Then you won't have a liberal in '12 either.

If BO isn't liberal enough for you, may I ask who is? Whom would you appoint POTUS, if you could?
 
Rick Perry is considered a serious candidate by Republicans???

Man, they really are pathetic if he's a possibility.
 
I don't see any potential Reagan's in the GOP field, and the only ones who would have even a chance of winning the independent vote agaisnt Obama aren't going to win the primary because they're too moderate. The field is going to go to some of the more extreme, and outspoken candidates, and those people would alienate most groups outside the right and far right.

Sorry. I've been gone a while. Is everything still George Bush's fault?
 
Not even in the least, I was disappointed we didn't have liberal candidate to run against McCain. If we would have elected a liberal, we wouldn't still have troops in Afghanistan and Iraq and we wouldn't still have the Bush tax cuts still in place.



Perry or Bachmann, makes no difference to me. Both of these religious zealots will turn off the independents who decide the elections. :sun

Do you speak for all Independents?
 
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