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Do you think Obama will be reelected in 2012

Do you think Obama will be reelected

  • Yes, in a landslide

    Votes: 33 61.1%
  • No, he's going to lose in a landslide.

    Votes: 21 38.9%

  • Total voters
    54
I guess you prefer the FDA not regulate tobacco products, huh?

All I care is for this clown to be out of office before he finishes screwing things up any worse than he has. I'll even vote for Bozo the clown. Nuff said.
 
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From you caring president.
 
I disagree with both of you, because I think Obama's Presidency doesn't matter, for the time being. The race will most likely be determined during the GOP Primary. If someone like Bachmann wins, Obama is a shoe-in for re-election. If someone like Hunstman wins, it's going to be a drawn-out battle between the candidates.

You can look at who you expect Obama to face in 2012 to try to predict what might happen. The real question, then, is who is going to win the GOP Primary.

I've heard repeatedly that Huntsman doesn't stand a chance, despite my wishes to the contrary. Why do you feel he's great enough to not only secure the nomination, but win the race?
 
you want to pay SS checks without increasing the debt limit?

how we gonna do dat?

There government is still getting money and Obama has enough money to pay SS, his 3 wars and the GI's and the government interest loans but he decided to use scare tactics to get his own way, yet he wants to pay 'only' the people who invested in government bonds. Read the news and keep up with them.
 
I've heard repeatedly that Huntsman doesn't stand a chance, despite my wishes to the contrary. Why do you feel he's great enough to not only secure the nomination, but win the race?

Because he's too liberal and is friends with Obama.
 
Obama has signed a ton of great legislation for this country.

He can be re-elected by running on his record, regardless of the opposition.

All the legislation has failed. We still have a 9.2% Unemployment rate and a $14 trillion deficit. Obama is making Carter look good.
 
I disagree with both of you, because I think Obama's Presidency doesn't matter, for the time being. The race will most likely be determined during the GOP Primary. If someone like Bachmann wins, Obama is a shoe-in for re-election. If someone like Hunstman wins, it's going to be a drawn-out battle between the candidates.

You can look at who you expect Obama to face in 2012 to try to predict what might happen. The real question, then, is who is going to win the GOP Primary.

Huntsman is another McCain. The only reason the Dems want Huntsman to get the nomination is because they know he will lose. It's obvious they're scared of Bachmann because they won't leave her alone. The Democrats will always prop up the weak GOP candidates because those are the ones they want to get the nomination. If a strong candidate comes along like Bachmann, then they start hurling insults again. The GOP isn't going to fall for the same trick that they fell for in 2008. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
 
Huntsman is another McCain. The only reason the Dems want Huntsman to get the nomination is because they know he will lose. It's obvious they're scared of Bachmann because they won't leave her alone. The Democrats will always prop up the weak GOP candidates because those are the ones they want to get the nomination. If a strong candidate comes along like Bachmann, then they start hurling insults again. The GOP isn't going to fall for the same trick that they fell for in 2008. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
I know Bachmann plays well to her base. How does Bachmann play to the swing voters?
 
Most incumbants are reelected. So yep, prob'ly will be. Even when people are very unhappy with a president they voted in, they tend to ignore the negative and repeat the same stupid mistake all over again. Which gives that president four more years to fluck things up better than he did in the first four.
 
Right now I think the attitude is "Anybody but Obama".
I know that's your attitude. But not really what's relevant.
National (US) Poll * July 13, 2011 * Bachmann Surging In 2012 GOP R - Quinnipiac University – Hamden, Connecticut

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3. If the 2012 election for President were being held today, and the candidates were - Barack Obama the Democrat and Michele Bachmann the Republican for whom would you vote? 

                     Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom    Wht    Blk



Obama                50%    10%    88%    43%    48%    52%    43%    91%
Bachmann             38     80      6     40     40     35     45      3
SMONE ELSE(VOL)       3      1      1      4      3      2      2      2
WLDN'T VOTE(VOL)      3      2      1      5      3      2      3      1
DK/NA                 7      6      5      8      6      8      8      3

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            AGE IN YRS.......    INCOME.............  POL PHIL.........
                     18-34  35-54  55+    <50    50-100 >100K  Lib    Mod    Con



Obama                60%    47%    49%    52%    51%    51%    85%    60%    18%
Bachmann             29     41     41     34     41     40      9     27     69
SMONE ELSE(VOL)       3      3      1      3      2      2      1      3      3
WLDN'T VOTE(VOL)      2      3      2      2      3      2      1      3      3
DK/NA                 6      7      7      8      3      5      3      8      7

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            EDUCATION.... WHITE.............
                     Union  NoColl Coll   BrnAgn
                     HsHlds Degree Degree Evngl  Prot   Cath



Obama                58%    48%    55%    26%    33%    44%
Bachmann             33     39     34     60     53     43
SMONE ELSE(VOL)       2      3      2      2      3      2
WLDN'T VOTE(VOL)      1      3      2      3      3      3
DK/NA                 5      7      7      8      8      7
 
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Most incumbants are reelected. So yep, prob'ly will be. Even when people are very unhappy with a president they voted in, they tend to ignore the negative and repeat the same stupid mistake all over again. Which gives that president four more years to fluck things up better than he did in the first four.

Most, but not all. Since 1936, No President who has gone into an election with an Unemployment Rate of 7.2% or above has been reelected. Right now Obama is at 9.2% and rising.
 
I know that's your attitude. But not really what's relevant.
National (US) Poll * July 13, 2011 * Bachmann Surging In 2012 GOP R - Quinnipiac University – Hamden, Connecticut

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3. If the 2012 election for President were being held today, and the candidates were - Barack Obama the Democrat and Michele Bachmann the Republican for whom would you vote? 

                     Tot    Rep    Dem    Ind    Men    Wom    Wht    Blk



Obama                50%    10%    88%    43%    48%    52%    43%    91%
Bachmann             38     80      6     40     40     35     45      3
SMONE ELSE(VOL)       3      1      1      4      3      2      2      2
WLDN'T VOTE(VOL)      3      2      1      5      3      2      3      1
DK/NA                 7      6      5      8      6      8      8      3

They haven't debated each other yet. The economy is what's going to hurt Obama and right now Bachmann is pounding him hard on it. If she gets the nomination and faces him in a debate, they'll have to clean Obama up off the floor with a mop.
 
One thing that I notice about these numbers is that only one candidate seems to be taking votes away from Obama, Romney.
Another thing I notice is that Palin seems to be awarding votes to Obama

President Barack Obama tops all leading GOP White House hopefuls, hitting the all- important 50-percent mark against every candidate but Romney:
47 - 41 percent over Romney, unchanged from June 8;
50 - 38 percent over Bachmann, who was not matched against Obama June 8;
53 - 34 percent over Sarah Palin, compared to 53 - 36 percent June 8;
50 - 37 percent over Perry, who was not matched against Obama June 8.​
 
One thing that I notice about these numbers is that only one candidate seems to be taking votes away from Obama, Romney.
Another thing I notice is that Palin seems to be awarding votes to Obama

President Barack Obama tops all leading GOP White House hopefuls, hitting the all- important 50-percent mark against every candidate but Romney:
47 - 41 percent over Romney, unchanged from June 8;
50 - 38 percent over Bachmann, who was not matched against Obama June 8;
53 - 34 percent over Sarah Palin, compared to 53 - 36 percent June 8;
50 - 37 percent over Perry, who was not matched against Obama June 8.​

So far, Romney is Hilary Clinton for '08. Everything looks great, but you still never know. In all honesty, I hope it comes down to Hunstman and Romney, they're the only two Republicans I think have an actual chance of beating Obama, and could do a good job as President.
 
One thing that I notice about these numbers is that only one candidate seems to be taking votes away from Obama, Romney.
Another thing I notice is that Palin seems to be awarding votes to Obama

Yes. Palin has been 'out there' a while, so naturally she has been hammered more, for the obvious reasons. The only people beating on Romney now are his own Party's fringe. If he gets nominated he'll be beat on a lot more severely, and there is plenty of baggage to beat him down with. I don't see him as beating Obama in a general election.

I find it interesting just how ineffective the right wing Noise Machine is, considering it runs 24/7, 7 days a week, all year every year, and the Democrats' media experts haven't even geared up to kick off the election cycle yet. Once that happens, look for at least a 10 point swing in favor of Obama, and if the 'Tea Party' yahooes don't at least compromise and get rid of some of those Defense programs and agree to eliminate some of those useless tax benefits for fund managers, you can count on bigger swings rolling up to November 2012.
 
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Because he's too liberal and is friends with Obama.

Explain to me how he's too liberal? Also, tell me if you voted for George Bush or not.

Second, Ronald Reagan was friends with Tip O'Neil. What in the world does being Friends with a Democratic Rival (And I'm unsure if that even qualifies with Huntsman or if he's just on friendly terms with Obama) have to do with anything? Unless you think Ronald Reagan was some kind of worthless President because of it its a ridiculous argument.
 
They haven't debated each other yet. The economy is what's going to hurt Obama and right now Bachmann is pounding him hard on it. If she gets the nomination and faces him in a debate, they'll have to clean Obama up off the floor with a mop.

Aren't you the type that went on and on about Obama's experience in 2008?

What experience with the economy or track record does Bachmann actually have? She's been in congress while unemployment and our debt has gone up, never had any executive experience, has no legitimate credentials with spurring economic growth, creating jobs, or helping to significantly improve the economic climate for businesses. This is who we expect to wipe the floor with Obama on the economy?
 
If the Republicans run Bachmann I predict a loss on par with the 2008 loss, if not a larger landslide. She has very little cross over appeal because her significantly right wing, in some cases pretty far right wing, social views will ward off many independents that would be interested in her for fiscal and governmental reasons because she's dumb enough to make it a focus and has made enough stupid comments in the past that opponents can make it a bigger focus if she doesn't.

I think Santorum is dead in the water for much the same reason.

I think Pawlenty could make a legitimate case. I think he's a bit of a bland candidate but I think could have some cross over potential and has actual executive experience to point to.

Romney may have the best chance to actually get the nomination and beat Obama, yet is the hardest to sell to the base I think...even more than Paul or Huntsman..and I think is the most "typical politician" feel of any of the candidates. He just doesn't seem trust worthy, very fickle, and hard to trust.

I think next to Romney, Huntsman has by far the best bet and as long as the primaries don't get TOO nasty I think he actually could have a very good shot to take down Obama. I think he has a better shot than Romney IF he got the nomination, but is a longer shot to get it than Romney is. I also have far more faith in him sticking to his fiscal and governmental conservative principles which by and large he's rather strong on and being just enough of a regulator from keeping a Republican congress from going "bat-**** stupid part II" when they have a majority and deciding to abandon fiscal and governmental conservatism in favor of SOCIAL SOCIAL SOCIAL.

Right now my hope is Huntsman followed by Paul, who I think would likely lose but I believe could significantly set up the ideological next step for the Republican Party ala Goldwater's attempted run. I just hope its not Bachmann because I think that almost garauntee's an Obama win. Even my die hard, full on, "I'd rather you come home gay than a democrat", mother flat out said she hopes the woman doesn't get the nod because it means we're getting 4 more years of him.
 
They haven't debated each other yet. The economy is what's going to hurt Obama and right now Bachmann is pounding him hard on it. If she gets the nomination and faces him in a debate, they'll have to clean Obama up off the floor with a mop.

Like this?

 
Aren't you the type that went on and on about Obama's experience in 2008?

What experience with the economy or track record does Bachmann actually have? She's been in congress while unemployment and our debt has gone up, never had any executive experience, has no legitimate credentials with spurring economic growth, creating jobs, or helping to significantly improve the economic climate for businesses. This is who we expect to wipe the floor with Obama on the economy?

Bachmann has a lot more experience now than Obama had when he was elected in 2008.
 
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