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    Re: Do you think Obama will be reelected in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's the way I read it. If the GOP leaders allow Perry or Bachmann to be their candidate, it means they have given up the 2012 election.
    I don't think they really want it; outside of some truly great foreign policy victories under George H.W. Bush, re repairing the damage Reagan caused over the demise of the Soviet Union, leading the coalition against Saddam, and some other stuff, all in one term, the Republicans have been a disaster, with a lot of sympathetic help from neo-liberal Democrat moderates like Clinton and now Obama.

    The illusion of a 'two party system' isn't really fooling anybody any more, in any case. We all know it's a farce, yet few really want to change the system; pols just want to be the top dogs and have more control over distributing the loot and how much goes into who's pockets.
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    Re: Do you think Obama will be reelected in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by SPC View Post
    Right now, 58% of Independents are undecided. The other 42% are dissatisfied with Obama. Throughout history Independents tend to vote against the Incumbent , and if History remains consistent, the 58% of those who are undecided will vote against Obama.
    Being "dissatisfied with Obama" and being willing to vote for someone like Bachmann just to get him out of office are two completely different things.

    I am pretty independent. I am with the Dems on some issues, with the Repubs on some issues, and want a combo of the two positions or neither position on still other issues. I don't like Obama or many of the policies that he has been pushing through Congress. However, he is the lesser of two evils if it comes down to him or a number of the current GOP Presidential hopefuls, especially Bachmann. I am not willing to get rid of one bad President for someone who is 5x or 10x worse, just in a different way.
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    Re: Do you think Obama will be reelected in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Being "dissatisfied with Obama" and being willing to vote for someone like Bachmann just to get him out of office are two completely different things.

    I am pretty independent. I am with the Dems on some issues, with the Repubs on some issues, and want a combo of the two positions or neither position on still other issues. I don't like Obama or many of the policies that he has been pushing through Congress. However, he is the lesser of two evils if it comes down to him or a number of the current GOP Presidential hopefuls, especially Bachmann. I am not willing to get rid of one bad President for someone who is 5x or 10x worse, just in a different way.
    So you would rather have a spend,spend,liberal instead of cut the deficit balance the budget tea party.

    You can say you are not liberal but I do not believe you

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    Re: Do you think Obama will be reelected in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So you would rather have a spend,spend,liberal instead of cut the deficit balance the budget tea party.

    You can say you are not liberal but I do not believe you
    until she decides we need to spend spend spend on war war war
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    Re: Do you think Obama will be reelected in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So you would rather have a spend,spend,liberal instead of cut the deficit balance the budget tea party.

    You can say you are not liberal but I do not believe you
    I'd rather have someone who is not going to be able to "spend, spend, spend" on what he wants anyway, as long as Congress remains in the hands of the GOP, than have someone who could possibly get really horrible legislation passed through Congress while they have a majority there.

    I believe balance works pretty well for us. The best thing we could do would be to have a moderate President and a Congress that is willing to actually compromise to get responsible and reasonable legislation passed that actually could help this country and be within the limits of the Constitution.
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    Re: Do you think Obama will be reelected in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I'd rather have someone who is not going to be able to "spend, spend, spend" on what he wants anyway, as long as Congress remains in the hands of the GOP, than have someone who could possibly get really horrible legislation passed through Congress while they have a majority there.

    I believe balance works pretty well for us. The best thing we could do would be to have a moderate President and a Congress that is willing to actually compromise to get responsible and reasonable legislation passed that actually could help this country and be within the limits of the Constitution.
    Wrong moderate means liberal. We need a coservative. The dems have had control of congress since 2007 and have created 5 trillion in debt.Obama has created over 3 trillion on his watch It is time to throw them out.

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    Re: Do you think Obama will be reelected in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Wrong moderate means liberal. We need a coservative. The dems have had control of congress since 2007 and have created 5 trillion in debt.Obama has created over 3 trillion on his watch It is time to throw them out.
    The Republicans are not going to do much better, since they basically want to do extremes in the opposite direction of whatever the Dems are doing. This is not how we should be running the government.

    First of all, people need to understand, that fixing the economy will take time. Our economy didn't just suddenly break from some perfect system that was keeping everything working when Obama or any other politician from either side took office in the last 10, 20, or even 30 years. It has been working its way there because of various policies that both sides have supported/enacted and various things that politicians from both sides have done in that time and longer. To blame it on any one person or side is completely ridiculous.

    Second, people need to understand that it is going to take a lot of little things, such as cutting down stupid spending that comes from reactionary steps (which is where a lot of our overhead spending comes from, having redundant backups because someone messed up and everyone now feels that a mistake means we must make a very visible change to "ensure" it doesn't happen again, instead of actually looking into what went wrong and accepting that sometimes people make mistakes, you deal with the mistake and move on), and cutting some governmental jobs and salaries, such as government paid aides and secretaries and advisers to politicians and cuts in their salaries. We also need to understand that everyone is going to have to compromise some of their ideals to make this work.

    And people need to start becoming more self sufficient and less self absorbed to get through this. We aren't entitled to anything, but that doesn't mean that some things being made available to everyone isn't good for our society. Some government regulation will always be necessary. The trick is to find the balance of government regulation and economic freedom that allows the economy to remain healthy. Our problem is that we seem to have too much government regulation in some areas and not enough in other areas because too many people believe that their ideas are right without looking at all the consequences of what is likely to happen when those ideas are enacted.
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    Re: Do you think Obama will be reelected in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We haven't had a credible liberal candidate in my lifetime. We have only elected conservatives or moderates. A liberal President would end both our optional wars immediately, as well as close all the unneeded US military bases around the world and reduce our military spending by 60% back to a defensive force. He would work to restore the progressive tax system that made our middle class strong, and undertake a massive R&D effort for alternative energy similar in intensity to the Manhattan project.
    Are you assuming Congress was killed in a nuclear explosion? Or democrats were a) voted in across the boards, and b) not answering to any special interest groups?

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    Re: Do you think Obama will be reelected in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Are you assuming Congress was killed in a nuclear explosion? Or democrats were a) voted in across the boards, and b) not answering to any special interest groups?
    Explaining to the far-right what a liberal presidency would be like, if it were to ever occur.
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    Re: Do you think Obama will be reelected in 2012

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Explaining to the far-right what a liberal presidency would be like, if it were to ever occur.
    It has occured and the democrats losing in 2010 shows the people do not like the liberal agenda.

    Yet we still have democrats and Obama acting like they still have a filibuster proof congress.

    It is time for Obama to listen to the GOP and the Tea party.

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