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  • Female: I have kid(s)/ I want kid(s)

    6 9.38%
  • Female: I don't want children

    2 3.13%
  • Male: I have kid(s)/ I want kid(s)

    30 46.88%
  • Male: I don't want children

    19 29.69%
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    Re: Do you want children?

    I'd have to agree with that generalization. It is especially bad when dealing with older generations of women... who often had no choice about what kind of life they wanted. No one asked my grandmother if she wanted 6 kids.

    The reproductive lives of women have been heavily affected by sexism from all directions. And sometimes when people don't feel they were given a fair shot, they don't want anyone else to have it either. It makes sense to me that this attitude mostly comes from women for that reason. This can go off into really extreme directions. I have a friend whose mother says she will disown her and write her out of her will if she doesn't have a biological child. I know a woman whose ex-boyfriend beat her when she refused to agree to have his child. It's true a lot of things can bring out the crazy in crazy people, but that this is something that would bring up some peoples' heckles so extremely underlines how much more restrictive the box of female expectation STILL is to this day.

    On the flip side of that, people are nonchalant about men not wanting kids because there's an underlying assumption that men don't really care about their kids. Equally sexist and incorrect, but at least people don't tend to bug men about it no matter what they decide.

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Who is this "we" you speak of? I'm done raising children, and MN isn't having any. So who are you talking to?
    "we" as in "the United States of America"

    You are ****ing kidding me. You're a man of faith. You really think God's gonna be stymied by a woman's choice not to reproduce?
    I think God gives us free will. not really sure how that comes into play here.

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    This comment deserves an award for being a big load of crap and the worst argument made in this debate.

    "You don't know who you aren't reproducing."

    The child I never have, with male whom I don't know, could be the next Hitler too, but chances are my unreproduced kid will be the next nobody. My kid won't be fully white or culturally American, so I guess you don't want ME to reproduce anyway...
    if your children wouldn't be culturally American, but would be living in America, then probably not. however, the outlier argument remains foolish - the fact remains that the vast majority of citizens are a net benefit to society.

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    What's the difference between racial superiority and cultural superiority....
    what?


    well. for example, racial superiority would make a statement such as "a chinese person is better than a vietnamese person". cultural superiority would say something like "slavery is bad", "all people are inherently equal", or "freedom of speech is good". cultural superiority isn't about the pigmentation involved; rather it references that series of beliefs that is central to cultural identity - for example I believe that cultures that treat women like slaves are inferior to those that do not.


    I'll admit to being surprised that you have to have this explained to you.
    Last edited by cpwill; 07-12-11 at 09:15 AM.

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I have no idea where you get this stuff.
    i read alot of history.

    The problems our society is facing isn't due to a break down in the patriarchal structure..
    that is correct. though much of it is due to the breakdown of the family structure; and part of that is indeed our declining birthrate.

    You can't raise your children to be cultural superior or raise your children to fix this nation's problems.
    well i certainly intend to give it my best shot. i value civilization quite a lot.

    All other people have a different idea of parenting, and fixing this nation entails constructive thinking and problem solving. It also takes leadership skills and things that cannot be taught to a child, they are skills a child has to develop.
    in fact constructive thinking, problem solving, and leadership skills are things that can be taught.

    It's like your turning motherhood into a form of nationalism, and your arguments are tinged with sexism btw.
    my primary argument here is a straight numbers game. the society that does not reproduce, dies. My secondary argument is culturally centered - I like my society, and don't want it to die.

    I have talked with you before about this issue in some ways, and I know you think raising these cultural superior children is the woman's job.
    this is incorrect. I think women are generally better at taking the primary role - with plenty of room for a healthy percent of outliers.

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    My point is that he has no idea who my future children will be... nobody does. It's a logical fallacy, appeal to ignorance
    in fact i have a pretty good idea of who they will be. they will (most likely) be workers and taxpayers.

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    My future kid will more than likely be nobody important to cpwill, that was my point. You guys are acting like I am a bad person.
    on the contrary, each person is of value.

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Would-be grandmothers have to grieve the loss of the preconception they probably always had that their daughter(s) would follow after them and create their own litters. The decision not to very subtly sends a message to the mother "I don't want to be like you" and that hurts, so they sprinkle seeds of guilt all over the daughter to try to make it happen. Sisters and sisters-in-law will also do this. (Men might do it too but personally I see this being a woman thing and I think that's a reasonable generalization so don't even bother to nitpick with accusations to gender stereotyping.) People everywhere are insecure, at least in certain areas. A close relative says "I don't want kids," and people can't help but read into that. "Are you depressed?" "So that means you don't like my kids?" "So that means you think I didn't raise you right? Did I not do a good job? Was I not a good role model?"

    Emotion city.



    If Einstein had never existed, maybe there were two next-Einsteins growing up in Hiroshima and Nagasaki in the forties. Guess we'll never know, since Einstein lit that fire under FDRs ass.

    All I'm saying is one can carry this butterfly effect nonsense in any blindly positive or negative direction one wants. This speculative free association won't lead you to a higher ground on this topic.
    I guess you missed my point. People do not have to be celebrities to be important. Maybe it is something their children will accomplish instead. It's really about potential.
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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    on the contrary, each person is of value.
    You and I haven't agreed on much, but on this, I agree with you CP.

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    "we" as in "the United States of America"



    I think God gives us free will. not really sure how that comes into play here.
    You said she could be choosing not to give birth to the next Edison. I figure if God's sending Edison down, he'll actually send him to someone having children.

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