View Poll Results: Do you have children?

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  • Female: I have kid(s)/ I want kid(s)

    6 9.38%
  • Female: I don't want children

    2 3.13%
  • Male: I have kid(s)/ I want kid(s)

    30 46.88%
  • Male: I don't want children

    19 29.69%
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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    all other things being equal, those who have produced and raised children have given more value to society than those who have not.
    Except all other things aren't equal.

    What good does it do to society if someone raises a sociopath that is only a danger to society?
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    your prescription is off - government did not do these things when our birthrate was higher. this is fundamentally a social problem, not one of governance.
    Even so, it is a policy, and if society wants to pursue this policy that is what it will have to get the government to do in order to ensure that policy gets enacted.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Do you want children?

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    1. The "can't afford it" wasn't my argument, that was Sam's. But it's sort of true in a round-about way. People who are conscientious enough to know they can't afford it don't. People who aren't wind up in poverty, and sometimes needing government help. So how was the value analysis of yours going again...? Point is, your practically arbitrary example is meaningless and doesn't represent most people anyway. What about the cost of raising kids? What they cost on education? Resources? The list goes on and on.

    2. Have you forgotten? In "career" is included things like science and medical research. Also, things like academics WHO WILL EDUCATE YOUR CHILDREN. Their future potential is impossible without the people who choose career, and often sacrifice having children to do it. Highly available birth control and people who want to use it is one of the biggest factors that allows having any sort of developed society in the first place.

    3. You haven't offered any reason why parents "do more that's positive" for the world other than meaningless conjecture. And actually the childless/childfree tend to be happier than parents with kids in the house. So on that one you are definitively wrong. Having children does not result in more happiness.

    4. Your utopian theory that breeding more = old age care is simply wrong. It has been explained to you why it's wrong, and you haven't addressed it.

    The entire thing is utopian and wrong, and reaks of you simply trying to validate your own choices.

    Your choices are no better or more meaningful than anyone else's. What you value is not what others value. And what you're doing may or may not even relate to what you value.
    Last edited by SmokeAndMirrors; 07-11-11 at 07:13 AM.

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Except all other things aren't equal.

    What good does it do to society if someone raises a sociopath that is only a danger to society?
    what good does it do to society to choose to not have a child and lose the next Thomas Edison? if all you can depend upon is extreme outliers, your argument isn't holding much statistical water.

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    It isn't my fault you freaked out over studies saying women with higher educations tend to have fewer children. It's not anyone else's job to stroke your ego about what you've decided to do with your life.
    Now you're lying about your original claim which is truly pathetic. Get your facts straight.
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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    all other things being equal, those who have produced and raised children have given more value to society than those who have not.
    There is no "all other things being equal". Betty White gave more, and continues to give. Mother Theresa gave more. Yes, that's the order they came out of my mind, and I'm not reversing them.

    I will be damned if I'll buy that inherently, I'm worth more by virtue of having given birth 30 years ago, than any childless woman out there. Bull****. Also? Are you saying all women are worthless until they give birth, and then their worth - what? Doubles? Women who have two children, are they worth more than women who have one? None of us will ever catch up to Michelle Duggar. Right?

    What a load.

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    In short, we are raising a smaller, dumber generation, and we are giving them a heavier burden to carry in a world where their ability to do so will be determined by some of the very attributes we have denied them.
    Who is this "we" you speak of? I'm done raising children, and MN isn't having any. So who are you talking to?

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    what good does it do to society to choose to not have a child and lose the next Thomas Edison? if all you can depend upon is extreme outliers, your argument isn't holding much statistical water.
    You are ****ing kidding me. You're a man of faith. You really think God's gonna be stymied by a woman's choice not to reproduce?

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    how in the world is having an optimistic outlook on life a gift from society?
    Hm, guess I shoulda numbered or bullet-pointed. They weren't intended to be related statements.

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    all other things being equal, those who have produced and raised children have given more value to society than those who have not.
    I disagree, raising children is easy and some people are horrible at. Some people have better kills to offer their society than trying to parent in the first place. Furthermore, some people are incapable of reproducing. The ability to reproduce has little or nothing to do with one's value.

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