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  • Female: I have kid(s)/ I want kid(s)

    6 9.38%
  • Female: I don't want children

    2 3.13%
  • Male: I have kid(s)/ I want kid(s)

    30 46.88%
  • Male: I don't want children

    19 29.69%
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    Re: Do you want children?

    From an interview with Betty:

    Lopate: You've never had children and you write that you're not a big believer in being able to do both -- having a career and being a mother.

    White: But I meant I know a lot of girls who do that very successfully. I know myself too well that I'm so compulsive I would not to justice to them.

    Lopate: Because there are a number of people who've talked about achieving that balance: Michelle Obama, Meredith Viera, Tina Fey --

    White: Meryl Streep.

    Lopate: They've been able to pull it off. ...

    White: Yes, but that's, that's -- they know themselves well enough to know they can accomplish it. I know myself well enough to know I would feel guilt about neglecting the children every time I'd go to work.

    Lopate: So the career wound up taking precedence --

    White: And I've never regretted it.
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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Very true.

    One reason that I am fine about not having children of my own is because I think that even though people have parents they could also use mentors. And one group that I think really needs mentoring the most are those 20-somethings who are now out on their own but don't have much in the way of education or experience and so still need guidance.

    Have you ever seen someone talk to their parents and then utterly dismiss what their parents say but then someone else could say the same thing and that person will give careful and due consideration? I can understand that since people are used to parents telling them what to do all their lives, so they may dismiss it automatically as "dad just being dad and mom just being mom." But when someone who doesn't have that parental attachment tells them something they may consider it more.

    That's why I'd like mentoring to be more important in this country, especially, as I said, to young adults.
    That's true... People can be close and actually care about each other and not be blood related. You see a lot of that in good churches, synagogues, mosques, and religious groups... some of them are like families and will help each other. You also have you clubs and things like amvets, bike clubs, ethnic clubs and societies, etc. If you don't have a family, chances are you have good friends and a good network structure.

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    I see said people as a form of empty nesters, only their nests were never full. My friend and I are on the same page now, since she never gave birth, and my only bonly is 30. We take Thelma and Louise trips.
    Well my brother is a very good member of his society... He has recognition for his work too, so cpwill is just kidding himself when he says childless people are contributing less to society for not having kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Well my brother is a very good member of his society... He has recognition for his work too, so cpwill is just kidding himself when he says childless people are contributing less to society for not having kids.
    If I go into much more detail as to what an amazing, wonderful woman my best friend is, people will start suggesting I marry her. So - yeah. His statements on that front are baseless.

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Apparently so!

    Amazon.com: Famous Childless Women

    My favorite lady on the planet made the list. Betty White.
    Mother Theresa is on that list... That *****!

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    That's true... People can be close and actually care about each other and not be blood related. You see a lot of that in good churches, synagogues, mosques, and religious groups... some of them are like families and will help each other. You also have you clubs and things like amvets, bike clubs, ethnic clubs and societies, etc. If you don't have a family, chances are you have good friends and a good network structure.
    Nowadays, you're also finding it at comic book shops, D&D troupes, video game guilds, and online forums as well.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Nowadays, you're also finding it at comic book shops, D&D troupes, video game guilds, and online forums as well.
    That is true... I have experienced it with game guilds myself

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    It's unavoidable. I'm assuming you discovered your partner was pregnant fairly early on. You can't possibly ask the child what they want. You MUST make a decision based on what YOU want. It is inherently selfish.
    the decision at that point was already made - the kid was here. not that it's terribly pertinent to the discussion - the point being that parenthood is inherently sacrificial, not selfish.

    Expecting someone to take care of you is somewhat greater in scope than expecting decent manners. Especially since no one asked them if they'd like to deal with that expectation in the first place.
    so how do you then justify expecting others' children to take care of you?

    [quoe]The math is not that catastrophic in the long run[/quote]

    in fact it is. generally speaking, non breeding cultures will be replaced by breeding ones. care to place a wager on how individual human rights will be effected once unassimilated Muslims from places like Pakistan become powerful voting blocs in Europe? the culture that isn't replacing itself right now is (broadly) what we know as The West. so if you like things that The West has come up with and promulgated - representative society, individual rights, equality between the genders, abolition of slavery, free speech, etc - then you may consider it rather problematic "in the long run" that currently it is slated to cease existing.

    And a lot of people would argue it's a good thing.
    then they should read more history.



    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill
    so what happens is the average age of a society increases, until there aren't enough young to take care of all the elderly, and the state is no longer collecting enough resources to step in.

    those without children and without beau-coup money will be abandoned, though incrementally.

    Greece, for example, as I recall, has the lowest birthrate in the EU. Though Italy is not too far behind.
    hey, will you lookit that!


    European Council President Herman Van Rompuy has called an emergency meeting of top officials dealing with the euro zone debt crisis for Monday morning, reflecting concern that the crisis could spread to Italy, the region's third largest economy


    Greece and Italy (and much of the rest of Europe, who is only a little bit behind, dependent on the generosity of their retirement entitlements) aren't going to be solved with a bail-out because their problems are structural and inherent to their demographics. thats why you see the riots in Greece - people are being told that the income they depend upon (since they have no offspring, or only one) for survival is getting slashed.


    that is what is going to happen here unless we get smart and get smart very soon.

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Damn, SheWolf was bang-on! So it's an issue of out-breeding those dirty towel-heads, eh? Guess what. I really don't care what color the majority of people in this country are. And Arab people are not as scary here in the West as they seem to be in your imagination. They tend to be... darker Westerners.

    Oh please. While it's true raising kids requires sacrifice, every life path requires sacrifice, and there is no unselfish reason to have them, let alone pit expectations upon them. You're not doing anything valiant by puttering along the biological script. And the only way you could even be considered to be doing something noble is if you take credit for your childrens' accomplishments. Which is not only fallacious, but extremely egotistical.

    I am not arguing the moral superiority of either side, but rather that there is none on either side. What you do with your gonads is quite beside the point of what kind of person you are and what kind of life you lived.

    Again, it's not expecting "someone else's children" to pay for me if I've been paying for it my whole life. That is ridiculous.

    Yes, of course, all of Greece's problems come from the birth rate. If they would just breed beyond their means everything would be perfect.

    Here's the thing about people who would regard it as a good thing: history is WHY they regard it as a good thing. At the root of it all, there isn't a deeper logic behind "the race must continue." It's a biological drive. It has no reason and no meaning. That leaves its validity open to interpretation. Some people think it has no validity.

    Others, like me, simply don't care that much about it and don't view it as terribly important. I have no "obligation" to breed for the Fatherland. Please.
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    Re: Do you want children?

    I'm glad you've given up the argument that the childless surpass us breeders in intelligence.
    “In politics, stupidity is not a handicap.” -Napoleon

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