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  • Female: I have kid(s)/ I want kid(s)

    6 9.38%
  • Female: I don't want children

    2 3.13%
  • Male: I have kid(s)/ I want kid(s)

    30 46.88%
  • Male: I don't want children

    19 29.69%
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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    if those who didn't want to have kids were willing to sign over any future obligations they would want to put on my kids to support them, that would be fine.



    and that can happen too, but I would doubt that statistically we are talking about a significant portion of the populace here. one of my good friends on the island was raised by a single mother who was an abusive alcoholic. he is a terrific dad.
    Somehow, I'm just having trouble dealing with the fact that you've got your nose that far up anybody else's business, that you honest-to-god believe you have some say in whether they choose to remain childfree, and to cast aspersions on them for making that choice.

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Of course, right? Childfree people never do anything for anyone else, because only a selfish person wouldn't want children.

    Wait... why do you people have kids again?

    Having kids is a completely selfish decision. So is not having them. In that respect, they're on even terms. What the individual winds up doing in other areas of there life is unrelated to whether or not they have kids. Again, I'm willing to bet I take a more active role in the world around me than a lot of the people here whining about how selfish the childfree are. And if you try to tell me there aren't lots of very selfish parents around, I'm going to have one hell of a laugh.

    You display that selfishness by having a self-serving expectation for the life you brought into the world for your own selfish reasons. Hint: Anything starting with "I want..." is a selfish reason.

    The majority of my major reasons start with "I want..." as well. But at least I take ownership of my future. I will also say that at least you appear to put some amount of importance on whether or not you deserve that service from your children. But a lot of parents don't.

    It doesn't count as "other people's kids" taking care of them if the people who get that government help have been paying for it their entire lives. The fact that the government pilfers the funds they have been putting money into for 40+ years is not their fault.

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    I agree essentially. It's just that some people have this annoying air of superiority. And it stinks.
    Yes, they do. Like saying the childfree are in "denial." It really does stink.

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Yes, they do. Like saying the childfree are in "denial." It really does stink.
    Or maybe it's just a matter of not understanding something you don't related to. And of course, if that's the case, being confrontational is no way to make yourself heard. Applicable to all parties, btw.
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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Somehow, I'm just having trouble dealing with the fact that you've got your nose that far up anybody else's business, that you honest-to-god believe you have some say in whether they choose to remain childfree, and to cast aspersions on them for making that choice.


    I haven't said one way or the other that I can tell someone whether or not they individually should have kids. I say it's bad for society that a large percent of our populace is choosing to do so, or choosing to only have one child. We're living with the Me Generation, and that has torn at our social fabric in all kinds of damaging ways.

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post


    I haven't said one way or the other that I can tell someone whether or not they individually should have kids. I say it's bad for society that a large percent of our populace is choosing to do so, or choosing to only have one child. We're living with the Me Generation, and that has torn at our social fabric in all kinds of damaging ways.
    Interesting, coming from such a staunch "personal responsibility" conservative.

    Most people will always want kids. However, now that women are free to pursue their own careers and lives, it is almost expected that we are experiencing a shrinking of the birth rate. At some point, that will probably stabilize.

    Your accusation that the childfree are somehow more selfish than parents is absurd for more reasons than I could probably fit in a single post. Any decision regarding procreation is selfish.

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Or maybe it's just a matter of not understanding something you don't related to. And of course, if that's the case, being confrontational is no way to make yourself heard. Applicable to all parties, btw.
    That I have empathy for. When John asked about how the childfree think, I answered in the most honest way I could, even including that I represent a small faction within that group, and here's what most of the childfree think. I appreciated that question.

    The freak-out that ensued after I answered it, as though me not saying that we're all a bunch of damaged jerks and that's why we're childfree was a personal insult for him deciding to be a parent, is confrontational. I thought he had an honest curiosity. I was wrong.

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post


    I haven't said one way or the other that I can tell someone whether or not they individually should have kids. I say it's bad for society that a large percent of our populace is choosing to do so, or choosing to only have one child. We're living with the Me Generation, and that has torn at our social fabric in all kinds of damaging ways.
    And I completely disagree. Parenthood has never been and is not now "one size fits all." It's a CHOICE. A very personal choice.

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Of course, right? Childfree people never do anything for anyone else, because only a selfish person wouldn't want children.

    Wait... why do you people have kids again?
    .....well..... your mother should really have covered this with you.... but when a man and a woman love each other very much.....

    Having kids is a completely selfish decision
    that is incorrect. for our first child, for example, it wasn't a decision at all (surprise!). and if you'd asked us prior to if we wanted to get pregnant we would have told you Hell No - we had Things To Do.

    So is not having them. In that respect, they're on even terms. What the individual winds up doing in other areas of there life is unrelated to whether or not they have kids. Again, I'm willing to bet I take a more active role in the world around me than a lot of the people here whining about how selfish the childfree are.
    given that they are spending about 12-15 hours a day of their day raising the next generation, I would like to see your numbers if you are outperfoming them. that's impressive.

    You display that selfishness by having a self-serving expectation for the life you brought into the world for your own selfish reasons. Hint: Anything starting with "I want..." is a selfish reason.
    looks like you didn't read the post. wanting my boys to be well-adjusted, mature members of society who are able to love and be loved in return? yeah, not selfish of me to dedicate 20 years of my life, sleepless nights, and endless frustration to give that to them.

    we didnt' have kids "so they would take care of us in our old age". but they probably will just as we are going to help our folks. and those who dont have kids will not have them to lean on when and if the entitlement system goes underwater due to the fact that not enough people have had kids.

    It doesn't count as "other people's kids" taking care of them if the people who get that government help have been paying for it their entire lives.
    in fact it does because that is the reality of the situation. whether you think that is "fair" or not is immaterial. reform suggestions to make this not the case have been met uniformly with heads-rotating-180-degrees-spewing-vomit from your side of the political aisle.

    The fact that the government pilfers the funds they have been putting money into for 40+ years is not their fault.
    actually since they elected the bastards who did it.... it is Democracy ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve.

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    Re: Do you want children?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    And I completely disagree. Parenthood has never been and is not now "one size fits all." It's a CHOICE. A very personal choice.
    I'm not really sure how that effects the math one way or the other. lower the birthrate below 2.1 and your society will become older and smaller over time; eventually getting to the point where a smaller number of younger people are over taxed to provide support for a large number of older people, with the inevitable result being that they become impoverished, are unable to support that burden of spending, and the entitlements are suddenly changed on the elderly. This is happening in Greece (which has had a very low birthrate for some time now) as we speak - there aren't enough young people to pay for the retirees, and so the retirees are being told they will have to eat large cuts to their benefits. Lower the birthrate below 1.8, and (historically) your society will cease to exist.

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