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Thread: Presidential Report Card

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    Re: Presidential Report Card

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Candidate Obama =/= President Obama.

    I would say Congressional Dems are trying to rally him, more than the other way around. There's an increasingly larger wing of the liberal Dems who are super-dissatisfied with what they perceive has him giving in to the right.
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    Re: Presidential Report Card

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    My problem isn't that we did something in Libya, is what we have done after. Our purpose has lacked directions.
    I know this is gonna sound hackish...but lack of solid direction seems to be a big issue with a lot of Obama foreign policy/economic policy.

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    Re: Presidential Report Card

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I think he's good at rallying his own team, at least on the hill...and since he set records for voter participation in '08 I had to weigh that ability to incite the base and independents like he did. Doesn't happen very often.
    He is, but that is Campaign Obama. President Obama lacks those party leadership skills and many Congressional Democrats complain about the lack of him in certain areas.
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    Re: Presidential Report Card

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    My problem isn't that we did something in Libya, is what we have done after. Our purpose has lacked directions.
    It's still a situation I see as being between a rock and a hard place at this point. Obviously, in reality, we want to get rid of Gaddafi. But the pursuit of that goal is constrained by decreasing American stomach for foreign wars, and also by international law. To withdraw at this point would basically mean everything we did from the beginning was for absolutely nothing. I think at this point the strategy is just to wait it out until the guy runs out of resources.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Presidential Report Card

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    You wrote two papers on party leadership? What was that like?
    Well only one was specifically looking at party leadership and the other was looking at riders and ways Congressional leaders get them off. The results I got were interesting. If you want to know what I specifically looked I can tell you later.
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    Re: Presidential Report Card

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I know this is gonna sound hackish...but lack of solid direction seems to be a big issue with a lot of Obama foreign policy/economic policy.

    *runs and hides*
    I think any honest person would agree with this sentiment, on both the right and the left.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Presidential Report Card

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    He is, but that is Campaign Obama. President Obama lacks those party leadership skills and many Congressional Democrats complain about the lack of him in certain areas.
    True words......

    Its an empty suit, a teleprompter, and a copy of Rules for Radicals.......and 50 million americans knowingly and willingly voted for it.
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    Re: Presidential Report Card

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I know this is gonna sound hackish...but lack of solid direction seems to be a big issue with a lot of Obama foreign policy/economic policy.

    *runs and hides*
    Well his economic policy comes from a different school than most conservatives apply to so I think that is why people see a lack of direction there. His foreign policy does lack direction, but he has had rather active world while he is in office. I mean Egypt, Libya, drawing down in Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, Russia.
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    Re: Presidential Report Card

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    my vote went to a C+. I would give Obama higher if he would show some guts and stand up to the right wingers a whole lot more. When he signed the tax cuts after the election - that was a terrible mistake.

    I think he has done more good than bad but his move to the right to placate the right wing is just not a good thing.
    He probably perceives it as necessary compromise, and I can't fault him for that. I know there should be a "but" here, but I can't think of it.

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    Re: Presidential Report Card

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I think any honest person would agree with this sentiment, on both the right and the left.
    I would hope so, but anytime somebody on the right is critical of Obama there's a 70% chance (or better) that they'll be accused of racism, tea-party radicalism, or some sort of warped hatred of the man.
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