View Poll Results: What would you do?

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  • Draw or grab a firearm that is immediately next to you

    28 28.57%
  • Grab a clubbing weapon that is immediately next to you (ex. Golf club, baseball bat, etc)

    7 7.14%
  • Grab a stabbing weapon that is immediately next to you (ex. Kitchen knife, pocket knife, etc)

    6 6.12%
  • Run to another room to grab a locked up or hidden firearm and confront the home invaders

    11 11.22%
  • Run to another room to grab a stabbing or clubbing weapon and confront the home invaders

    3 3.06%
  • Run to another room and attempt to hide while dialing 911

    2 2.04%
  • Run out the backdoor of the house and attempt to escape

    6 6.12%
  • Freeze like a deer in the headlights

    6 6.12%
  • Rush the bad guys barehanded

    6 6.12%
  • Other (explain)

    23 23.47%
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Thread: Self defense: How prepared are you?

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    Re: Self defense: How prepared are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Well, let's see... I don't have kids and I am not married. There is nothing in my house I willing to die for, so why go all territorial and try to defend my property with lethal force just because.. There is two of them, one of me.. they could have more guns than me. **** my property. I'd probably flee, because that would be a form of protecting myself.
    may you never face this and if so be swift of feet!!!

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    Re: Self defense: How prepared are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    That's actually not true for many states. A lot of them (I actually believe it's a majority of them, even a lot of the southern states) require that the person actually enters your dwelling before you can use deadly force. If someone steps on your property and you just kill the person, you're probably going down hard.

    Why? Why would you want to murder someone who isn't posing a threat to you? Some people in this thread are very out of line with their ideas of "self defense".
    That's what I meant; I realize now it may not have come across that away. Of course you can't just shoot someone just for accidentally stepping on your lawn, that's crazy.

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    Re: Self defense: How prepared are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    He sounds like a great pet and protector! I hope you won the suit, since the kid was trespassing. Isn't that funny? It's all in the attitude of the person.

    My baby girl is a lover to just about anyone but the next door neighbor (or strangers at the door). She hated his last dog, a mean beast. I think she still associates him with that dog and if she gets out, will chase him down, causing him to freeze until I get there. Thankfully, she hasn't bitten him.
    Nope...lost the suit but was able to keep the dog. Pretty much standard rule regardless of trespassing in the yard. (I think that might not be the case with regard to burglars or those with criminal intent.

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    Re: Self defense: How prepared are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by mtlhdtodd View Post
    sounds similar to this ---

    You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife, and charges. You are carrying a Glock .40, and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?

    Sarah Brady type Answer:

    Well, that's not enough information to answer the question!
    Does the man look poor or oppressed?
    Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack? Could we run away?
    What does my wife think?
    What about the kids?
    Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand?
    What does the law say about this situation?
    Does the Glock have an appropriate safety built into it?
    Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society and to my children?
    Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me?
    Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to wound me?
    If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me?
    Should I call 9-1-1?
    Why is this street so deserted? We need to raise taxes, have a paint and weed day and make this a happier, healthier street that would discourage such behavior.
    This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days and try to come to a consensus.

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    BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click...
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    Son: "Mom's right Dad, I saw it, too."

    BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click.

    Daughter: "Nice group, Daddy! Were those the Winchester Silver Tips?"

    Sorry AA had to do it, couldn't resist. I did check the top answer for me though.
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    Re: Self defense: How prepared are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    That's actually not true for many states. A lot of them (I actually believe it's a majority of them, even a lot of the southern states) require that the person actually enters your dwelling before you can use deadly force. If someone steps on your property and you just kill the person, you're probably going down hard.

    Why? Why would you want to murder someone who isn't posing a threat to you? Some people in this thread are very out of line with their ideas of "self defense".

    Anybody that kicks in your door needs to be killed. **** em.

    Also RM did not say "if they step on your property". He said "if they step on your property without permission and with intent to do harm". World of difference. If they break in with weapons in hand, that's proof off intent-to-do-harm in most states. Hardly any reasonable state will hold you accountable for lighting up someone that kicks in your door.

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    Re: Self defense: How prepared are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    You have a ****ing arsenal TD... jesus christ.. and to top it off a Katana.
    three Katanas

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    A "last legend" competition Katana. One of the better hand forged Chinese made-sadly no longer in business. These win lots of cutting contests

    I have lots of neat stuff-Bulgarian, Soviet Polish, Hungarian and Chinese AK pattern jobs, most leading brands of ARs (Colt, Armalite, SW, Bushmaster, DPMS, Rock River) and some of the rarer stuff like a Beretta AR 70, a HK SL-8 with a Kahles Night scope on it (lit reticle) an original Steyr AUG and A RR LAR-8 (like an AR-10 in 762 Nato-we were getting 2 inch groups at 200 Meters with FBI HRT loads (168 grain sierra match king bullets).

    My favorite is probably one of the several MI carbines I got through the Dept of Civilian Marksmanship. I like the Garands as well-I keep one in the bed room because its really hard for a kid to load the 8 round clip but i can do it in about a second a 30.06 is a bit overkill but you can disable a car at 400 Meters with one



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    Re: Self defense: How prepared are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    I did read the scenario, I was just branching out to different situations. You were not really clear in your posts. One thing to consider is the number of subjects that enter your home too. If there are 3 or 4 guys that bust through my door, I am going to fire right away. If it is one or two guys, I really just cannot see myself putting a bullet in each of their heads. I guess I'm a pacifist compared to some of you..
    How can I not be more clear and realistic in my response? Scenario was pretty clear. Door kicked in and two males come in. Me...Im pretty realistic. Im not fumbling in my pocket for a knife and Im not rushing for a convenient firearm. In my home (If I had the opportunity to reach it safely) I have a few CS teargas dispensers but I dont keep sidearms tucked under the sofa cushion. I am grabbing anything I can throw and Im targeting clown # 1 and going after tender and exposed body parts. What part of that is unclear?

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    Re: Self defense: How prepared are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Anybody that kicks in your door needs to be killed. **** em.

    Also RM did not say "if they step on your property". He said "if they step on your property without permission and with intent to do harm". World of difference. If they break in with weapons in hand, that's proof off intent-to-do-harm in most states. Hardly any reasonable state will hold you accountable for lighting up someone that kicks in your door.
    time of day is important too-if someone sneaks into your home at 2 PM chances are they are there to commit burglary and if you happen to be home sick or having a quickie with the hot french maid, chances are its harder to prove homicidal intent on the part of the thief

    if someone breaks into a home at night the clear intent (and the holding of almost every court) is robbery or worse. someone comes into a home by breaking and entering at night, I say keep shooting until they no longer are a threat (ie they no longer are moving)



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    Re: Self defense: How prepared are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Anybody that kicks in your door needs to be killed. **** em.

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    Re: Self defense: How prepared are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Read before answering:

    This is a “what would you do?” scenario. You’re going about your business in your home. The time is late afternoon or early evening. Suddenly you hear the sound of your front door splintering in. You turn to see two black males, one wearing a white tank top and the other a blue polo shirt, entering your residence through the broken door.

    Do you:

    1.) Draw or grab a firearm that is immediately next to you
    2.) Grab a clubbing weapon that is immediately next to you (ex. Golf club, baseball bat, etc)
    3.) Grab a stabbing weapon that is immediately next to you (ex. Kitchen knife, pocket knife, etc)
    4.) Run to another room to grab a locked up or hidden firearm and confront the home invaders
    5.) Run to another room to grab a stabbing or clubbing weapon and confront the home invaders
    6.) Run to another room and attempt to hide while dialing 911
    7.) Run out the backdoor of the house and attempt to escape
    8.) Freeze like a deer in the headlights
    9.) Rush the bad guys barehanded
    10.) Other (explain)

    I’m just a little curious to see how people would react in a situation where they presume themselves to be safe, yet are confronted by a sudden threat. It’s easy to say, “It’ll never happen to me” but what do we do if it does? The above situation is actually a direct description of a string of home invasions that have been occurring in my neck of the woods.

    It always helps to have a plan in place, so vote and then explain, please. Keep in mind, this is strictly YOUR reaction, not what you expect a family member or a pet to do, but what YOU will do.
    I'm not that worried about it. I have three large well trained dogs, and have lived 52 years without anything of the kind ever coming up.

    And I don't really look like a victim.

    But, there are always several people, mostly large males in my home (not to mention the dogs). Anyone coming in better come in well prepared. As one neighbor once said, someone would ahve to be a fool to break into your place.

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