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  • Draw or grab a firearm that is immediately next to you

    28 28.57%
  • Grab a clubbing weapon that is immediately next to you (ex. Golf club, baseball bat, etc)

    7 7.14%
  • Grab a stabbing weapon that is immediately next to you (ex. Kitchen knife, pocket knife, etc)

    6 6.12%
  • Run to another room to grab a locked up or hidden firearm and confront the home invaders

    11 11.22%
  • Run to another room to grab a stabbing or clubbing weapon and confront the home invaders

    3 3.06%
  • Run to another room and attempt to hide while dialing 911

    2 2.04%
  • Run out the backdoor of the house and attempt to escape

    6 6.12%
  • Freeze like a deer in the headlights

    6 6.12%
  • Rush the bad guys barehanded

    6 6.12%
  • Other (explain)

    23 23.47%
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    Re: Self defense: How prepared are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Fire extinguishers are passive once put in place unless a fire occurs, decisions to carry a weapon in your home and outside it, require an active process

    You made the decision to place fire extinguishers in your home a long time ago, and I expect other then when you (I hope) inspect them every few months, doubt you think about them all the time. Neither do you carry a fire extinguisher around all the time, when you go to the bathroom you are not carrying one, but you are a weapon (or stated as such) when you go for a job, you dont carry an extinguisher, but are a weapon.

    It is the active everyday decision to carry a weapon out of fear of being attacked that I cant seem to rationalize. I can see the point of having a gun at home for personal protection, but having right beside you when watching TV, or going for a walk to the corner store to me seems an irrational fear. Yes fear, even though you made the decision to carry long ago, it would have been out of fear and fear that causes one to carry it still

    The fact that you can't seem to rationalize it doesn't mean it is not rational; it simply means that your personal life-experiences have not lead you to conclude that carrying a gun is prudent. Mine have.

    I grew up around guns. To me they are as normal as TV sets and shoes. I put them in the same category as power tools: "useful items to be handled with care."

    Your perspective apparently differs. Very well... but that doesn't mean my perspective is invalid. Simply different.

    My best friend like-a-brother was murdered at 24, at his place of business, in a robbery. I had been going to go there that night to help him close up shop, as I often did; something came up and I did not go. My friend was a very different fellow than me, he did not go armed or concern himself about crime... and he died young. I often wondered how things might have turned out differently if I had been there. Someone with a higher level of awareness and caution, and a ready sidearm, could have changed the story substantially. But, that is what-if and useless now.... but this matter reaffirmed to me that my decision to go armed was prudence and not paranoia.

    Perhaps you will construe this story as more reason to cast me as "fearful". Would you do so if I instead told a story about someone I knew who died in a housefire because he didn't have a handy fire extinguisher? What some call prudence, others call paranoia.... but I think your apparent bias is causing you to fail to see the correlation between the two forms of preparedness.

    Once one has grown accustomed to being armed, it is little more bother than wearing shoes or carrying keys. There is no emotional content to my usual morning ritual of adding "sidearm" to the list of things I wear and carry. It is no more burdensome to me than my shoes, and no less "normal".

    I'm hardly alone. Most of the men (and a good many women) I know own guns, and many of them keep one close at hand; a fair number carry as regularly as I do. To me it is the norm; to you it seems odd.

    It seems to me though, that you're trying to make a distinction about going armed that you don't make about having fire extinguishers, insurance, or a spare tire and tire-changing equipment in the car. You're trying to paint the one as fear-based (irrational fear) and the other as "normal".

    Normal is what you're used to.

    Given my experiences in life, my background and where I grew up, carrying a gun is "normal".
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    Re: Self defense: How prepared are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Fire extinguishers are passive once put in place unless a fire occurs, decisions to carry a weapon in your home and outside it, require an active process

    You made the decision to place fire extinguishers in your home a long time ago, and I expect other then when you (I hope) inspect them every few months, doubt you think about them all the time. Neither do you carry a fire extinguisher around all the time, when you go to the bathroom you are not carrying one, but you are a weapon (or stated as such) when you go for a job, you dont carry an extinguisher, but are a weapon.

    It is the active everyday decision to carry a weapon out of fear of being attacked that I cant seem to rationalize. I can see the point of having a gun at home for personal protection, but having right beside you when watching TV, or going for a walk to the corner store to me seems an irrational fear. Yes fear, even though you made the decision to carry long ago, it would have been out of fear and fear that causes one to carry it still
    What's the point here about fear? So what? Frankly you seem a lot more fearful, they way your posts sound.
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    Re: Self defense: How prepared are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Fire extinguishers are passive once put in place unless a fire occurs, decisions to carry a weapon in your home and outside it, require an active process

    You made the decision to place fire extinguishers in your home a long time ago, and I expect other then when you (I hope) inspect them every few months, doubt you think about them all the time. Neither do you carry a fire extinguisher around all the time, when you go to the bathroom you are not carrying one, but you are a weapon (or stated as such) when you go for a job, you dont carry an extinguisher, but are a weapon.

    It is the active everyday decision to carry a weapon out of fear of being attacked that I cant seem to rationalize. I can see the point of having a gun at home for personal protection, but having right beside you when watching TV, or going for a walk to the corner store to me seems an irrational fear. Yes fear, even though you made the decision to carry long ago, it would have been out of fear and fear that causes one to carry it still
    Firearms are equally passive. Once you put them in place as a defensive measure they are no different than the fire extinguisher. The decision to properly equip your home w/ smoke detectors and alarms and fire extinguishers is not a fear based decision...it is a decision made by intelligent reasoned and rational people that understand the threat to life and proprty exists and any/and every preemptive measure you can employ helps to reduce the event but in the unfortunate event, combat the event.

    Same exact reasoning applies w/ regard to firearms. The threat is real. A consious decision to be as prepared as possible against threat and employing ways to combat the threat is a common sense solution.

    Personally...I think most people overstate their level of access to a firearm, especially in regard to the OP scenario. SOME may indeed live in an arsenal with weapons readily deployable in every room. Soom may carry strapped while sitting at home watching the TV. Most? I doubt it. I think they also miscalculate their response to such an event. If you calculate in reaction time to the OP scenario as well human response, Fumbling in pockets or running for nearest weapons is probably going to get you killed.

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    Re: Self defense: How prepared are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    What's the point here about fear? So what? Frankly you seem a lot more fearful, they way your posts sound.
    Fearful nope

    I have no issue walking around any part of my city at any time day or night unarmed.

    To live in an area where to feel safe one needs to carry a weapon at all times is not something I have experienced. Perhaps many Americans do
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    Re: Self defense: How prepared are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Firearms are equally passive. Once you put them in place as a defensive measure they are no different than the fire extinguisher. The decision to properly equip your home w/ smoke detectors and alarms and fire extinguishers is not a fear based decision...it is a decision made by intelligent reasoned and rational people that understand the threat to life and proprty exists and any/and every preemptive measure you can employ helps to reduce the event but in the unfortunate event, combat the event.

    Same exact reasoning applies w/ regard to firearms. The threat is real. A consious decision to be as prepared as possible against threat and employing ways to combat the threat is a common sense solution.

    Personally...I think most people overstate their level of access to a firearm, especially in regard to the OP scenario. SOME may indeed live in an arsenal with weapons readily deployable in every room. Soom may carry strapped while sitting at home watching the TV. Most? I doubt it. I think they also miscalculate their response to such an event. If you calculate in reaction time to the OP scenario as well human response, Fumbling in pockets or running for nearest weapons is probably going to get you killed.
    It is the probably overstatement that I am commenting on primarily. Having a gun for personal protection I can see, having it strapped while watching TV I can not. Having a gun in your car when travelling, I can see, having a gun when you go to the local gas station at 3 pm I cant.

    It is the having a gun strapped as you watch TV, that makes me think the person is either paranoid or extremely fearfull (perhaps the samething). Unless that person is somehow involved in the world of crime, I just dont see it being a rational action. If you are a drug dealer or an undercover cop for instance, I could see the point of having immediate access to a firearm. But for the average joe, not so much
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    Re: Self defense: How prepared are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    It is the probably overstatement that I am commenting on primarily. Having a gun for personal protection I can see, having it strapped while watching TV I can not. Having a gun in your car when travelling, I can see, having a gun when you go to the local gas station at 3 pm I cant.

    It is the having a gun strapped as you watch TV, that makes me think the person is either paranoid or extremely fearfull (perhaps the samething). Unless that person is somehow involved in the world of crime, I just dont see it being a rational action. If you are a drug dealer or an undercover cop for instance, I could see the point of having immediate access to a firearm. But for the average joe, not so much
    On that we actually agree. Ive never polled police officers, but most cops I know MOST LIKELY come home and secure their firearm before just chillin with family. Now...if my neighborhood was a little dicey...I could see it and not consider it paranoid. I also DO have teargas dispensers deployed at access points in my house. Im tryingto imagine a true to the scenario type response. A home invasion depends on 1-surprise, 2-aggression, and 3-fear of the intended victim. They will have elements 1 and 2...I highly doubt even the most well trained individuals sits in their home sitting on the edge of the couch constantly thinking...Oh...here it comes...wait for it...wait for it.......now! SO most likely we will get BOOM followed by a 1-3 second "WTF is happening!!!" moment. Then the show starts.

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    Re: Self defense: How prepared are you?

    I never carry when Im at my home in the United States. But I do have weapons in the house and I usually carry whenever I leave the premises.

    I always carry my Glock-21 in Israel (sometimes openly), and keep an M-4 assault rifle in my car with the clip in.

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    Re: Self defense: How prepared are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    It is the probably overstatement that I am commenting on primarily. Having a gun for personal protection I can see, having it strapped while watching TV I can not. Having a gun in your car when travelling, I can see, having a gun when you go to the local gas station at 3 pm I cant.

    It is the having a gun strapped as you watch TV, that makes me think the person is either paranoid or extremely fearfull (perhaps the samething). Unless that person is somehow involved in the world of crime, I just dont see it being a rational action. If you are a drug dealer or an undercover cop for instance, I could see the point of having immediate access to a firearm. But for the average joe, not so much
    Ah, but you see, once you've made the decision to go armed as a regular thing, you don't stop and think "do I need my gun to run to the store at 3pm?" Gun on/off is not an hourly decision, Gun/on is the default decision. You just put it on with your clothes and go, because that's what you do, because you decided long ago "better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it" (my father's words on the matter).

    The reason being, is there is no way to predict when a situation will occur, other than "it will probably not announce itself more than a few seconds in advance."

    As for "being strapped" while watching TV.... well if I'm wearing pants and a belt I'm wearing my gun, and this is no greater imposition or oddity to me than having my wallet in my pocket. However, at home I'm actually more likely to put my pistol on my desk, or in the top drawer of same. The desk is where this computer is; it is also in the living room near the TV-watching-couch, so I consider this "within arms reach". My child is old enough to trust around firearms, so that isn't a concern... when he was younger I was more inclined to keep it on my person indoors for safety reasons.

    It is a question of mindset. Once you've decided that you're going to live a life of preparedness, and that your preparedness will include being ready to deal with armed criminals, all else follows in course and becomes "normal".
    You have trouble concieving of it because it falls outside of what is "normal" in your own experience.... but people and places differ in what is their norm.

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    Re: Self defense: How prepared are you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    For those that have weapons right next to them all the time
    Are you really that scared all the time because you live in a really bad area (say Camden New Jersery) or just somewhat paranoid?
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