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Thread: Aspergers: "catch-all" diagnosis?

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    Re: Aspergers: "catch-all" diagnosis?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    After reading this article, I wondered what everybody else's perception is on Children Behaving Badly.

    What percentage of children diagnosed as being on the autism spectrum are correctly diagnosed?
    Well it tends to be applied to anyone with high iq and low social skills, if you take that far enough then it could be applied to 80% of those in a postgraduate bar on the average evening, where do you draw the line?

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    Re: Aspergers: "catch-all" diagnosis?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    After reading this article, I wondered what everybody else's perception is on Children Behaving Badly.

    What percentage of children diagnosed as being on the autism spectrum are correctly diagnosed?
    I don't know.

    Personally, I think when it comes to diagnosing psychiatric disorders in general that our country is pretty bad at it.

    Also, I think we should be careful about diagnosing children. It can be pretty easy for a child to have one disorder and then have it be misdiagnosed as something else.

    I think we should also be careful about the degree to which a child is suffering a mental illness or a behavior disorder. Some children suffer worse than others.

    As I understand it, while Asperger Syndrome is basically high-functioning autism, the behaviors of those who suffer it are very similar to obsessive-compulsive disorder and to sociopathic behavior disorders. Personally, I think kids are very prone to those types of behaviors anyways and so doesn't necessarily mean that they suffer a clinical disorder - sometimes, things really are "just a phase."

    Also, the minds of children are constantly developing. I've heard it said that it is not until a person's mid-20's that it stops developing. So I think before then a person's brain is all over the place anyways. So, for a lot of young people, maybe what those behavioral problems are are more just them developing.
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    Re: Aspergers: "catch-all" diagnosis?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    If this girl is representative in any way of somebody with autism or somebody with symtpoms that fall on the spectrum I see no reason why we shouldn't offer social coaching, learning techniques, and other programs to these children.
    Actually, I wouldn't mind it if we provided social coaching, learning techniques, and other programs to all children who may need it - not just those who are clinically diagnosed with some sort of mental or behavioral disorder.
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    Re: Aspergers: "catch-all" diagnosis?

    Many of the people that have been labelled with ANY of the childhood disorders (or for that matter adults diagnosed with Bipolar, ADHD, even depression) are labelled that way by their parents (or themselves) or by medical doctors. For the MOST part, kids that see a psychiatrist or responsible therapist are properly diagnosed. MOST being a relative term but I would say comfortably somewhere between 51 and 65% are properly diagnosed by cesponsible and trained clinicians...and add in another 10% that are properly diagnosed as per the symptoms displayed (people change...truly autistic folk generally dont).

    A lot of it is environmental...but then you have to separate the nature/nurture part again. When I hear "he is just like his father" then that begs the question is he mimicking or displaying learned behavior or is it "who he is."

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    Re: Aspergers: "catch-all" diagnosis?

    I have a child right now that has been diagnosed with ADHD, Manic Depressive Disorder, and Aspergers. Each diagnosis being by a separate doctor. One being a pediatrician, the next being a psychologist, and the most recent being a pediatric cognitive behavioral therapist (thats a mouthful of a job title).

    In the end, I don't know what is wrong with the child. You cannot discipline him because he has forgotten about it a few minutes later (seriously, the boy's short term memory is terrible). And its hard to teach someone a lesson if they can't remember anything about the situation. Yet if you talk about one of his obsessive subjects, he could give you a dissertation. He has been given several IQ tests and they range from 150 to 155. Also, he has the weirdest phobias. He plays in the mud yet he is a germaphobe. If you give him a "don't do that look" he literally is afraid someone is going to attack him (which is especially annoying when we go out to dinner). When he talks, he stutters because he cannot get his thoughts out quickly enough and wants to get them out before he forgets them again. He also has some fairly severe fine motor skills issues. Especially with things like writing or tying his shoes. He also has no sense of time. However, I have played games with him and have gotten him to do fairly complex equations in his head.
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    Re: Aspergers: "catch-all" diagnosis?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I have a child right now that has been diagnosed with ADHD, Manic Depressive Disorder, and Aspergers. Each diagnosis being by a separate doctor. One being a pediatrician, the next being a psychologist, and the most recent being a pediatric cognitive behavioral therapist (thats a mouthful of a job title).

    In the end, I don't know what is wrong with the child. You cannot discipline him because he has forgotten about it a few minutes later (seriously, the boy's short term memory is terrible). And its hard to teach someone a lesson if they can't remember anything about the situation. Yet if you talk about one of his obsessive subjects, he could give you a dissertation. He has been given several IQ tests and they range from 150 to 155. Also, he has the weirdest phobias. He plays in the mud yet he is a germaphobe. If you give him a "don't do that look" he literally is afraid someone is going to attack him (which is especially annoying when we go out to dinner). When he talks, he stutters because he cannot get his thoughts out quickly enough and wants to get them out before he forgets them again. He also has some fairly severe fine motor skills issues. Especially with things like writing or tying his shoes. He also has no sense of time. However, I have played games with him and have gotten him to do fairly complex equations in his head.
    How old is your son?
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    Re: Aspergers: "catch-all" diagnosis?

    I said 0-25%. There are way more "bad" kids today, and it's discipline. My son was really an odd kid, and I think it was his high IQ. We had to readjust our lives because of his ill-temper. I'd say he did have ADHD, but went untreated. He takes meds for it now. Not sure the Adderall gets rid of being ill-tempered though. We just stayed home a lot. A shame really.
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    Re: Aspergers: "catch-all" diagnosis?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    One of my specialty areas is Asperger's Syndrome. Similar to ADD/ADHD, it is slowly becoming a "garbage can" diagnosis. If a child is showing ANY social "oddities", they get pigeon-holed with this. It's really not as common as one might think with all the talk of it and requires someone trained in being able to diagnose the disorder. There are certain criteria that must be met. Just being "odd" or having social difficulties isn't enough.
    Thank you. I didn't know it was a specialty area, but I knew you'd be able to shine some light on the discussion.

    Can you share what you voted? I make my polls visible, but for whatever reason cannot see the results once I've cast my own vote.
    Last edited by BDBoop; 07-07-11 at 01:16 PM.

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    Re: Aspergers: "catch-all" diagnosis?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    How old is your son?
    he will be ten next month.

    I just went out to lunch with the family and he literally had a panic attack over not getting a toy at McDonalds (full blown, I am going to die). Also, I have spent years under the assumption that he was doing it to get his way, but lately, I am not so sure its the case.
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    Re: Aspergers: "catch-all" diagnosis?

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    From personal experience, I would say that a lot of the kids diagnosed with various forms of autism are just late bloomers and introverts. I would wait until at least post-puberty to make a diagnosis like that, especially since there's not really any treatment you would want to start at a young age.
    sure there is treatment. i think a proper diagnosis is critical, and at a young age.

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