View Poll Results: Where there racists in 1776? (read post first)

Voters
28. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    24 85.71%
  • No

    4 14.29%
Page 8 of 11 FirstFirst ... 678910 ... LastLast
Results 71 to 80 of 101

Thread: Were there racists in 1776? (read post first)

  1. #71
    Sage
    VanceMack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:32 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,662

    Re: Were there racists in 1776? (read post first)

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    In the other thread, where this started, you'll find two posts by me that show the words of a scientist in the 18th century who wrote that whites were superior to blacks. If you search the internet, you'll probably find others in the same era. The correct answer was "yes".
    In the 18th Century. Based on their level of understanding. Was Darwin a racist? Would you call scientists from the 1300s stupid for believing that the world was flat? Would you describe any scientist from the 1900s who has been proven to be dead wrong, yet that same persons work and findings enabled others to learn and grow...would you call that person stupid? Why then this simple minded need to associate a label to people from CENTURIES ago with our modern understanding of humanity?

    In THIS thread I just posted a story by UNICEF that shows TODAY people are being enslaved. Savages...right? Imagine the belief that they actually have the RIGHT to OWNERSHIP of another human being or to treat them in such a manner. Who would DO such a thing. Surely they must be racists...animals...savages. What should we do to such people?

  2. #72
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Last Seen
    11-17-17 @ 12:48 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    19,610

    Re: Were there racists in 1776? (read post first)

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    In the 18th Century. Based on their level of understanding. Was Darwin a racist? Would you call scientists from the 1300s stupid for believing that the world was flat? Would you describe any scientist from the 1900s who has been proven to be dead wrong, yet that same persons work and findings enabled others to learn and grow...would you call that person stupid? Why then this simple minded need to associate a label to people from CENTURIES ago with our modern understanding of humanity?

    In THIS thread I just posted a story by UNICEF that shows TODAY people are being enslaved. Savages...right? Imagine the belief that they actually have the RIGHT to OWNERSHIP of another human being or to treat them in such a manner. Who would DO such a thing. Surely they must be racists...animals...savages. What should we do to such people?
    This has nothing to do with anything. Try again.

  3. #73
    Sage
    VanceMack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:32 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,662

    Re: Were there racists in 1776? (read post first)

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    This has nothing to do with anything. Try again.
    Thats pathetic...you cant even allow yourself to go to where modern racism is being practiced. Come on now...lets throw down on this whole politcally correct bull**** once and for all. Were there people that are racists? yes...then and now and forever. Ive said so. Was the country racist or people racist because slavery occured? No. Slavery is not an American or colonial construct. it is a historical reality practiced by every society...and MOST societies have grown...evolved..and understand life much more fully today (though lets be honest..hundreds of years from now we will likely be judged to be 'savages'). MOST societies though...right? Not all.

  4. #74
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Last Seen
    11-17-17 @ 12:48 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    19,610

    Re: Were there racists in 1776? (read post first)

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Thats pathetic...you cant even allow yourself to go to where modern racism is being practiced. Come on now...lets throw down on this whole politcally correct bull**** once and for all. Were there people that are racists? yes...then and now and forever. Ive said so. Was the country racist or people racist because slavery occured? No. Slavery is not an American or colonial construct. it is a historical reality practiced by every society...and MOST societies have grown...evolved..and understand life much more fully today (though lets be honest..hundreds of years from now we will likely be judged to be 'savages'). MOST societies though...right? Not all.
    The bold part is the only argument I've ever made and apparently we agree on it, everything else you've said is out of nowhere, so yeah...

  5. #75
    Gradualist

    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Last Seen
    09-25-17 @ 12:48 PM
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    34,949
    Blog Entries
    6

    Re: Were there racists in 1776? (read post first)

    Some of them were some of them were not..


  6. #76
    Basketball Nerd
    StillBallin75's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Vilseck, Germany
    Last Seen
    12-10-17 @ 07:52 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    21,896

    Re: Were there racists in 1776? (read post first)

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    In the 18th Century. Based on their level of understanding. Was Darwin a racist?
    Yes.

    Would you call scientists from the 1300s stupid for believing that the world was flat?
    I'm not even sure if this is actually true, but if they did, then yes, seeing as the Greeks had figured it out millenia before.

    Would you describe any scientist from the 1900s who has been proven to be dead wrong, yet that same persons work and findings enabled others to learn and grow...would you call that person stupid? Why then this simple minded need to associate a label to people from CENTURIES ago with our modern understanding of humanity?
    Basically, this whole discussion was sparked by a semantic debate.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

  7. #77
    Pragmatist
    SouthernDemocrat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    KC
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 09:33 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    17,406

    Re: Were there racists in 1776? (read post first)

    If you read any books that people back then wrote, or about people back then, its easy to see that the prevailing view at the time was that blacks were like children. This view was held by the vast majority of people up until the early 20th century. For example, they would hire black porters or servants and say things like "if they (the blacks) were capable of reflection, they could see...."
    "You're the only person that decides how far you'll go and what you're capable of." - Ben Saunders (Explorer and Endurance Athlete)

  8. #78
    Banned
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    EUSSR
    Last Seen
    03-24-14 @ 01:43 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    3,851

    Re: Were there racists in 1776? (read post first)

    OK then... one race superior to another. Superior in what? Ethiopian long distance runners are probably the best in the world. Black people are excellent basketball players and have big dicks. White Anglo-Saxons are brilliant architects and engineers. Japanese are precise in engineering (cars, electronics) as much as whites or even better sometimes.

    So, it depends on what you value, I guess.

  9. #79
    Sage
    VanceMack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 11:32 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,662

    Re: Were there racists in 1776? (read post first)

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Basically, this whole discussion was sparked by a semantic debate.
    Nah...this thread was started because he wasnt getting the chance to be right in the other thread either. You cannot promote some vacant simple minded notion comparing people today with people 235 years ago and judging them by the very standards we have learned and developed BECAUSE of those people.

  10. #80
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Last Seen
    11-17-17 @ 12:48 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    19,610

    Re: Were there racists in 1776? (read post first)

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Nah...this thread was started because he wasnt getting the chance to be right in the other thread either. You cannot promote some vacant simple minded notion comparing people today with people 235 years ago and judging them by the very standards we have learned and developed BECAUSE of those people.
    You just admitted a few posts ago that you agree with me, so you just accused yourself of having a "vacant simple minded notion". I just wanted to point that out for your ego.

Page 8 of 11 FirstFirst ... 678910 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •