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Were there racists in 1776? (read post first)

Where there racists in 1776? (read post first)

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theplaydrive said:
If X = "belief in the superiority of certain races", then someone who believes in the superiority of his race is X. It's that simple.
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To a simpleminded person...yes...it is...
 
StillBallin75 said:
Disagree. Racism existed back then, as TPD has shown back in the other thread. Any attempt to twist it any other way is engaging in revisionist history.

Your argument is like saying just because a white guy thinks one black guy is "articulate," he is therefore not a racist.
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My argument is not 'like' anything. My argument simply states truth. You are using your modern understanding of life and the human experiences that others lived, suffered, and grew by, and inappropriately applying it to others without such benefit.
 
There was. There always has been and there always will be. But I've noticed that most liberals fail to mention that blacks fought for our Independence as well. The First victim of the Boston Massacre was black (Crispus Attucks). He was a freed slave who wanted to see this country become free as well as anyone else. Now granted 1770 was before the Revolutionairy War, but tensions were already starting to build up even then.
 
VanceMack said:
My argument is not 'like' anything. My argument simply states truth. You are using your modern understanding of life and the human experiences that others lived, suffered, and grew by, and inappropriately applying it to others without such benefit.
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Do you think anyone in 1776 thought certain races were superior to others?
 
VanceMack said:
My argument is not 'like' anything. My argument simply states truth. You are using your modern understanding of life and the human experiences that others lived, suffered, and grew by, and inappropriately applying it to others without such benefit.
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This isn't a matter of imposing my modern views on history. A racist remains a racist regardless of the time period. It's really that simple.
 
haymarket said:
Lets see now... they gave legal protection to a system of enslaving a race of people. That reality would get a YES vote from me in this poll.

The absurdity that there was a black man or two that they did not enslave and even liked does not negate what they did to almost all of the remainder of the race across the land.
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Exactly, as long as there are different races, they will be racists. Everyone of us has a preference of one race over the other, no matter how small. It's important for all of us to realize our failings.
 
theplaydrive said:
Do you think anyone in 1776 thought certain races were superior to others?
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Do I think that people in 1776 understood life to their level of understanding? Why...YES...I do. Do I think you today, are stupid for using 235 years worth of other peoples life experiences to say neener neener you guys were RACIST? Yeah...I do.
 
StillBallin75 said:
This isn't a matter of imposing my modern views on history. A racist remains a racist regardless of the time period. It's really that simple.
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To a simple minded person engaging in simple minded rhetoric...yes...it REALLY IS that simple.
 
VanceMack said:
Do I think that people in 1776 understood life to their level of understanding? Why...YES...I do. Do I think you today, are stupid for using 235 years worth of other peoples life experiences to say neener neener you guys were RACIST? Yeah...I do.
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Answer the question: Do you think anyone in 1776 thought certain races were superior to others? Yes or no.
 
theplaydrive said:
Answer the question: Do you think anyone in 1776 thought certain races were superior to others? Yes or no.
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I answered the question. VERY directly in fact.
 
VanceMack said:
I answered the question. VERY directly in fact.
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Answer the question: Do you think anyone in 1776 thought certain races were superior to others? Yes or no.
 
theplaydrive said:
Answer the question: Do you think anyone in 1776 thought certain races were superior to others? Yes or no.
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Always with you it is the simple minded...hear you nothing that I say?
 
VanceMack said:
Always with you it is the simple minded...hear you nothing that I say?
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Answer the question: Do you think anyone in 1776 thought certain races were superior to others? Yes or no.
 
theplaydrive said:
Answer the question: Do you think anyone in 1776 thought certain races were superior to others? Yes or no.
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Is your dad still beating your mother? Yes or no dammit!!!
 
theplaydrive said:
You're showing symptoms of a breakdown, so I'll take that as a "yes".
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not at all...Im playing your simple minded game. Are you still abusing the neighbors kid? Yes or no?

(edit...sorry...shouldnt have used the word 'stupid')
 
There has been racism as long as there have been races in conflict. For thousands of years, groups of people have justified violence against other people who looked different, or spoke a different language, or worshiped different gods, by saying "oh, those people aren't really human." Shakespeare wrote about racism in Othello, long before the USA existed.

Racism isn't some kind of magical condition. It's normal human tribal affiliation. People are more loyal to those who are like them. Of course, the problem with modern racism is that, despite looking different, we are all part of the same tribe. Some people are slow to understand this truth. That is modern racism. But its roots go back to the dawn of time, before the human race walked this earth.
 
VanceMack said:
not at all...Im playing your simple minded game. Are you still abusing the neighbors kid? Yes or no?

(edit...sorry...shouldnt have used the word 'stupid')
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In the other thread, where this started, you'll find two posts by me that show the words of a scientist in the 18th century who wrote that whites were superior to blacks. If you search the internet, you'll probably find others in the same era. The correct answer was "yes".
 
Yes of course there was racism... this question is kinda silly.

I think the point of people saying that " it was the majority societal opinion at the time" is to look down at early Americans of our past with less scrutiny then we would a racist of modern day. Which i think we definitely should, it was much MuCH MUCH easier to become a racist back then and it contributed to how people were raised, some got past it, but many were pretty stubborn to over come such obvious benefits of being a racist, it's really just human nature that MOST of us would all give in too if we grew up at the same time period.
 
theplaydrive said:
In the other thread, where this started, you'll find two posts by me that show the words of a scientist in the 18th century who wrote that whites were superior to blacks. If you search the internet, you'll probably find others in the same era. The correct answer was "yes".
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In the 18th Century. Based on their level of understanding. Was Darwin a racist? Would you call scientists from the 1300s stupid for believing that the world was flat? Would you describe any scientist from the 1900s who has been proven to be dead wrong, yet that same persons work and findings enabled others to learn and grow...would you call that person stupid? Why then this simple minded need to associate a label to people from CENTURIES ago with our modern understanding of humanity?

In THIS thread I just posted a story by UNICEF that shows TODAY people are being enslaved. Savages...right? Imagine the belief that they actually have the RIGHT to OWNERSHIP of another human being or to treat them in such a manner. Who would DO such a thing. Surely they must be racists...animals...savages. What should we do to such people?
 
VanceMack said:
In the 18th Century. Based on their level of understanding. Was Darwin a racist? Would you call scientists from the 1300s stupid for believing that the world was flat? Would you describe any scientist from the 1900s who has been proven to be dead wrong, yet that same persons work and findings enabled others to learn and grow...would you call that person stupid? Why then this simple minded need to associate a label to people from CENTURIES ago with our modern understanding of humanity?

In THIS thread I just posted a story by UNICEF that shows TODAY people are being enslaved. Savages...right? Imagine the belief that they actually have the RIGHT to OWNERSHIP of another human being or to treat them in such a manner. Who would DO such a thing. Surely they must be racists...animals...savages. What should we do to such people?
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This has nothing to do with anything. Try again.
 
theplaydrive said:
This has nothing to do with anything. Try again.
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Thats pathetic...you cant even allow yourself to go to where modern racism is being practiced. Come on now...lets throw down on this whole politcally correct bull**** once and for all. Were there people that are racists? yes...then and now and forever. Ive said so. Was the country racist or people racist because slavery occured? No. Slavery is not an American or colonial construct. it is a historical reality practiced by every society...and MOST societies have grown...evolved..and understand life much more fully today (though lets be honest..hundreds of years from now we will likely be judged to be 'savages'). MOST societies though...right? Not all.
 
VanceMack said:
Thats pathetic...you cant even allow yourself to go to where modern racism is being practiced. Come on now...lets throw down on this whole politcally correct bull**** once and for all. Were there people that are racists? yes...then and now and forever. Ive said so. Was the country racist or people racist because slavery occured? No. Slavery is not an American or colonial construct. it is a historical reality practiced by every society...and MOST societies have grown...evolved..and understand life much more fully today (though lets be honest..hundreds of years from now we will likely be judged to be 'savages'). MOST societies though...right? Not all.
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The bold part is the only argument I've ever made and apparently we agree on it, everything else you've said is out of nowhere, so yeah...
 
Some of them were some of them were not..
 
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